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Post by wpietri »

stinos wrote: post #227
wpietri wrote: post #21

Very nice. I am especially excited about these features: > App Timer lets you set time limits on apps, and will nudge you when you’re close to your limit and then gray out the icon to remind you of your goal. > Wind Down will switch on Night Light when it gets dark, and it will turn on Do Not Disturb and fade the screen to grayscale at your chosen bedtime to help you remember to get to sleep at the time you want. I a…

help you remember to get to sleep at the time you want On one side I think this is great, on the other side: I'm not sure what to think of needing to be reminded when to go to sleep. It seems kind of wrong if one needs to be actively reminded of something as simple and straightforward as that.

Definitely. We live in very artificial environments.

When I spend a week camping, I don't need to be reminded, because it's really dark and there's been nothing exciting to do for a while. But at home, lights are bright and there are exciting things available at the push of a button. (Thanks to push notifications from things like the news and social media plus autoplay from video providers, they're often available without pushing a button at all.)

A few years back I build an automated lighting system that is sort of like Night Mode for my house: https://github.com/wpietri/sunrise

I thought the valuable part would be waking up early without the stress of an alarm. But actually the best part has been the auto-dimming in the evening. My brain get the hint. Instead of staying up and hacking on something or binge-watching TV, I am very likely to turn in early enough that I now get plenty of sleep.

Re: Android P

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Post by lern_too_spel »

kuschku wrote: post #292
lern_too_spel wrote: post #270

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And by installing a different launcher, the Google apps never run, which is the effect you wanted to achieve. You gain nothing by disabling the apps after that. If you were able to disable the apps and then uninstall the the new launcher, your phone would be unusable until you did a factory reset from recovery.

Incorrect. The Google apps are still used and running, e.g. for hotword detection even when the launcher is changed. And even with hotword detection off. And they take up space in my launcher.

Not on the Pixel. On my Pixel, I can disable the Google app and if I use a different launcher, the Pixel launcher won't run at all. So they're getting more customizable over time.

Re: Android P

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Post by kuschku »

wilsonnb wrote: post #300
kuschku wrote: post #119

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Then Google is free to give me an alternative device for development. With the emulator broken, and the Nexus 5X unsupported, I am unable to assure that my apps work on Android P, and therefore I have no idea at all if they’ll crash or not. But if they’ll crash, Google will punish me by downranking my score. A punishment for something I can’t do shit about. It’s absolute madness.

I mean, you can just buy a phone that can run Android P. There are plenty of them available. It's not unreasonable to expect a developer to buy a new device after three years, in my opinion.

1.5 years. The Nexus 5X was still sold by Google 1.5 years ago.

And all the alternatives are significantly more expensive.

I’m building open source apps.

If I put ads in my apps or track my users I’d make thousands and could buy a phone easily.

But I’m trying to do the right thing, and have a monthly budget of $6 (current donation level via Patreon).

If you sell me a phone with Android P for one year of my app income (aka 72€), I’d take it. I’ll even put some of my own money on top, 250€, as I paid for the Nexus 5X, I am willing to pay.

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Post by djajshgsjja »

mintplant wrote: post #221
djajshgsjja wrote: post #115

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Twilight app can do the color shift without root.

It's not a proper color shift. It can, say, overlay the screen with orange, but can't reduce blue.

Hmm I think I get the difference, but can you accomplish the same thing overlaying with orange + lowering brightness?

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Post by angry_octet »

emodendroket wrote: post #252
angry_octet wrote: post #51

Lots of slick UI stuff, but no meaningful updates to things that are well overdue: - Encryption of specific secrets for each app. - Fine grained control of what information is shared with apps. - Ability to selectively deny particular data (and have the app keep working, e.g by giving it an empty contacts list, fake phone ID, etc). - Ad and js blocking capable browser. Why should installing e.g. the facebook app, all…

The Facebook Web site still works fine.

On desktop maybe, on mobile it has been deliberately crippled. Can't share photos/posts via messenger for example, can't save photos either. Best you can do is screen cap, crop, resend. Using the website also means you are logged in, so you get tracked all over the web.

Re: Android P

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Post by wilsonnb »

kuschku wrote: post #303
wilsonnb wrote: post #300

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I mean, you can just buy a phone that can run Android P. There are plenty of them available. It's not unreasonable to expect a developer to buy a new device after three years, in my opinion.

1.5 years. The Nexus 5X was still sold by Google 1.5 years ago. And all the alternatives are significantly more expensive. I’m building open source apps. If I put ads in my apps or track my users I’d make thousands and could buy a phone easily. But I’m trying to do the right thing, and have a monthly budget of $6 (current donation level via Patreon). If you sell me a phone with Android P for one year of my app income…

It was released three years ago, which is the date you should use for figuring out the life span of a device. You should expect to get less time out of a phone that's already been out for a year and a half when you buy it.

In my country a used 1st generation Pixel can be had for less than the 5x was when it came out (~$300 vs $379). It's not ideal to have to buy used instead of new but it is doable. The Nokia appears to cost about the same price that the 5x did but im not sure it's easily available everywhere.

Anyways, your situation is unfortunate but I don't consider Google's actions to be egregious in this instance.

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Post by dang »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #214
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #154

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No, you're not the only one. It's so easy to search for the answer to almost any question about your phone (how do I keep the screen from blanking? How do I set a timer? How do I install a widget (and what's a widget)? Etc. My wife tends to ask me these types of questions and I keep telling her that probably 20 million other people have asked the exact same question so google it. She's finally getting it. I think peo…

Does your wife enjoy being treated like an idiot?

That breaks the site guidelines, which ask:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize."

It also crosses into personal attack. Could you please read and follow https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html when commenting here?

Re: Android P

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Post by kuschku »

wilsonnb wrote: post #306
kuschku wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1.5 years. The Nexus 5X was still sold by Google 1.5 years ago. And all the alternatives are significantly more expensive. I’m building open source apps. If I put ads in my apps or track my users I’d make thousands and could buy a phone easily. But I’m trying to do the right thing, and have a monthly budget of $6 (current donation level via Patreon). If you sell me a phone with Android P for one year of my app income…

It was released three years ago, which is the date you should use for figuring out the life span of a device. You should expect to get less time out of a phone that's already been out for a year and a half when you buy it. In my country a used 1st generation Pixel can be had for less than the 5x was when it came out (~$300 vs $379). It's not ideal to have to buy used instead of new but it is doable. The Nokia appears…

The Pixel 1 also only gets 1y of support from this point on.

I can't just throw 300€ every year at Google for the privilege of developing apps, even iOS is cheaper at 400€ every 4 years plus 99€ a year.

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Post by fnordsensei »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #177
fnordsensei wrote: post #171

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As a longtime iPhone user, I'm very happy that the competitors copy shamelessly from each other. The more they take the good parts from competition and refine it, the quicker maturity can be improved the board. We're in the era where basic phone capabilities have stabilized. Aspects of competing offerings converging, because it has become more well-defined what the basics of phone is, and the basics of how it's suppo…

I don't actually disagree, I just found the statement above somewhat hilarious, given the major changes in Android P.

Of course they will pull ahead of each other somewhat now and then. In the grand scheme of things, they're statistically at the same level of development, and becoming more so over time (when it comes to the software).
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