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Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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Finally. I wish third-party analytics would be next. A lot of apps are using analytics from companies who’s business model is inherently incompatible with privacy (Facebook & Google) and that concerns me.

Should all developers be required to write analytics themselves?

Apple could require the analytics reporting to be opt-in.

Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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If you're worried about analytics and tracking / ads on your iPhone, consider installing Disconnect's Privacy Pro: https://lifehacker.com/disconnect-pro-eliminates-tracking-on... It costs a few $$, but sets up a VPN profile that is generally always on. It just blocks all of the ads / "web bugs" / analytics stuff and gives you a UI to show how much. Apple cracking down is a good thing, but so is defense in depth. It e…

While the concept is good, I'd be extremely concerned of using any third party VPN service, free or paid. You are basically trusting your entire internet usage to a single entity, and I think this is way too risky.

One alternative is setting up a raspberry-pi at home running pi-hole and OpenVPN. While it is still not risk-free, it is still better than one centralized entity taking everyone's traffic. On the other hand, setting that up is still not absolutely straightforward, but it is getting better.

Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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Finally. I wish third-party analytics would be next. A lot of apps are using analytics from companies who’s business model is inherently incompatible with privacy (Facebook & Google) and that concerns me.

If third-party analytics is nixed, the same companies will just switch to a consulting model that lets them set up analytics for app authors in-house, making it first-party.

Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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Finally. I wish third-party analytics would be next. A lot of apps are using analytics from companies who’s business model is inherently incompatible with privacy (Facebook & Google) and that concerns me.

Facebook is a bit much, they are a gigantic company that can spend the time and look into your analytics and years of posting data. However, an app that collects data at best is getting your location and stereotype.

Location seems like an awful lot: think about what analysis would show about the places you visit and who is there at the same time. Sure, going to the supermarket probably isn’t that interesting but what about a political rally, gay bar, family planning clinic, law firm which specializes in divorce or labor lawsuits, etc.?

Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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Finally. I wish third-party analytics would be next. A lot of apps are using analytics from companies who’s business model is inherently incompatible with privacy (Facebook & Google) and that concerns me.

Should all developers be required to write analytics themselves?

There are a few analytics solutions that are self-hosted.

Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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It's not a location dependent core belief. The Chinese laws make it this way. Apple is not a sovereign government with the right to do as they please. They operate in the rules and under the same threat of force everyone else does in every nation they operate. That we live in an area of the world where you can choose to make the decisions they do without serious repercussions should make you pause and think about how…

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Apple's #1 principle is to make the best product in the market. That's what they've done: the alternatives to iPhones in China are much worse in terms of privacy. Apple would not be helping anyone by going to the mat on this.

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The speculation is this is GDPR motivates, hopefully it will cause a crackdown on that stuff too. The fact Apple added a framework to help with analytics (IIRC) may be the first step towards REQUIRING people to only use that framework instead of 3rd party stuff so they can be sure it’s compliant with laws/Apple’s policies as well.

GDPR doesn't regulate anonymous data. Unless you put PII in your analytics (not the default, and you really shouldn't) you won't have a problem. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure part of Google Analytics response to GDPR is "Don't put PII in there if you want to be GDPR compliant" (they are providing tools for compliance though).

The problem is anonymous data is an ambiguous term, as enough randomness in the “anonymous” data can still uniquely identify that individual.

Let’s take YouTube for example - I never had an account with them, yet they recommend me videos based on what I watched previously - fair enough. The creepy part is, on a totally different machine, from a different IP and country, watching just a few very specific videos (not popular at all, each maybe 2k views) suddenly brings all those suggestions over.

You could argue videos watched is anonymous data, but clearly a certain, unique “series” of videos is apparently enough to identify me.

There’s also no doubt Google associates that with all the other “anonymous” data they have on me (search, maps & which browsers/IPs I used) and has an extremely detailed profile of me; sure, they don’t have my name nor exact address (yet), but they can definitely tell me apart from everyone else just based on a few searches and that’s quite creepy IMO.

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Apple's #1 principle is to make the best product in the market. That's what they've done: the alternatives to iPhones in China are much worse in terms of privacy. Apple would not be helping anyone by going to the mat on this.

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Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The speculation is this is GDPR motivates, hopefully it will cause a crackdown on that stuff too. The fact Apple added a framework to help with analytics (IIRC) may be the first step towards REQUIRING people to only use that framework instead of 3rd party stuff so they can be sure it’s compliant with laws/Apple’s policies as well.

GDPR doesn't regulate anonymous data. Unless you put PII in your analytics (not the default, and you really shouldn't) you won't have a problem. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure part of Google Analytics response to GDPR is "Don't put PII in there if you want to be GDPR compliant" (they are providing tools for compliance though).

> As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure part of Google Analytics response to GDPR is "Don't put PII in there if you want to be GDPR compliant"

Not only that, Google says they will terminate any account that puts PII in Analytics.

Re: Apple cracking down on applications that send location data to third-parties

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So what you are saying that Apple's core beliefs are location-dependent. Personally, I think it is totally cool to have location-dependent core beliefs. I just think it is a total fan-boism not to acknowledge it.

Umm. No. I don’t wear the same clothes in a desert and a forest. To do so would be foolish. Imposing yourself on others when you have no power to do is not wise. I can keep my house clean but can’t expect everyone in my neighborhood to do so.

That sounds to me like you're saying Apples core beliefs are simply whatever they fancy depending on the time of the day.
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