Facebook knows it is in the wrong. Facebook announced last year they weren't going to use Ireland as part of its tax dodging scheme. Otherwise GPDR rulings could just extract global money out of the Ireland tax funnel.
Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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What if your service requires the tracking?
Consent isn't required for data collection that is necessary for the service to work. However, you have to be prepared to defend in court that it IS necessary. As such, trackers in 3rd-party advertising network code probably won't count as necessary; it's necessary for the ad network, but it is not necessary for the website displaying the advertisements, as proven by ad-blockers. Likewise, the facebook like button an…
> but it is not necessary for the website displaying the advertisements, as proven by ad-blockers.
when I was a child I stole a toy from Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is still around. Therefore, Wal-Mart's entire existence as a store does not depend on any kind of anti-theft measures, and it should be illegal for them to film my entrance and exit.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if your service requires the tracking?
Consent isn't required for data collection that is necessary for the service to work. However, you have to be prepared to defend in court that it IS necessary. As such, trackers in 3rd-party advertising network code probably won't count as necessary; it's necessary for the ad network, but it is not necessary for the website displaying the advertisements, as proven by ad-blockers. Likewise, the facebook like button an…
Do you mean to say that Facebook's existence isn't entirely dependent on selling personal information to advertisers?
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, they're fairly clear that you can't make service conditional on marketing et al consent. > When assessing whether consent is freely given, utmost account shall be taken of whether, inter alia, the performance of a contract, including the provision of a service, is conditional on consent to the processing of personal data that is not necessary for the performance of that contract.
Facebook will argue that the data is necessary.
I can't see that argument going well: Since they let users opt-out of targeted advertising, which is probably the only thing "tracking" is useful for, they tacitly admit that "tracking" is not necessary for them to providing their service.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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what? seriously? Do EU citizens have some kind of legal right to Facebook access, now? It's illegal for Facebook to not serve people they can't sell to advertisers? I'd love it if Facebook were nationalized (or destroyed), but none of the coverage of the GDPR made it sound like it was going in that direction. I thought it was just another stupid "click here to acknowledge our cookies" rule that was going to spam up t…
There is no legal right to Facebook, but if Facebook wants to do business here, it has to abide by our rules. And our rules are very simple, you cannot deny service because the user doesn't allow tracking if tracking is not necessary for your service to work. And it isn't in this case, it's only necessary to deliver higher paying ads. Since they are being selective on the users they accept based on being tracked, the…
And if higher paying ads are necessary for the service to work?
Or do you foresee this being like drug prices, where the US subsidizes drug development for the world?
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
what? seriously? Do EU citizens have some kind of legal right to Facebook access, now? It's illegal for Facebook to not serve people they can't sell to advertisers? I'd love it if Facebook were nationalized (or destroyed), but none of the coverage of the GDPR made it sound like it was going in that direction. I thought it was just another stupid "click here to acknowledge our cookies" rule that was going to spam up t…
There is no legal right to Facebook, but if Facebook wants to do business here, it has to abide by our rules. And our rules are very simple, you cannot deny service because the user doesn't allow tracking if tracking is not necessary for your service to work. And it isn't in this case, it's only necessary to deliver higher paying ads. Since they are being selective on the users they accept based on being tracked, the…
As an EU citizen I am offended by this regulation.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#27I'm pretty sure that's illegal under GDPR.
what? seriously? Do EU citizens have some kind of legal right to Facebook access, now? It's illegal for Facebook to not serve people they can't sell to advertisers? I'd love it if Facebook were nationalized (or destroyed), but none of the coverage of the GDPR made it sound like it was going in that direction. I thought it was just another stupid "click here to acknowledge our cookies" rule that was going to spam up t…
Likely not. People on twitter would like this to be the case, however, it is not.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#28I'm pretty sure that's illegal under GDPR.
what? seriously? Do EU citizens have some kind of legal right to Facebook access, now? It's illegal for Facebook to not serve people they can't sell to advertisers? I'd love it if Facebook were nationalized (or destroyed), but none of the coverage of the GDPR made it sound like it was going in that direction. I thought it was just another stupid "click here to acknowledge our cookies" rule that was going to spam up t…
"I'd love it if Facebook were nationalized"
What you're looking for already exists; install WeChat.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
what? seriously? Do EU citizens have some kind of legal right to Facebook access, now? It's illegal for Facebook to not serve people they can't sell to advertisers? I'd love it if Facebook were nationalized (or destroyed), but none of the coverage of the GDPR made it sound like it was going in that direction. I thought it was just another stupid "click here to acknowledge our cookies" rule that was going to spam up t…
There is no legal right to Facebook, but if Facebook wants to do business here, it has to abide by our rules. And our rules are very simple, you cannot deny service because the user doesn't allow tracking if tracking is not necessary for your service to work. And it isn't in this case, it's only necessary to deliver higher paying ads. Since they are being selective on the users they accept based on being tracked, the…
It's disconcerting to me that under the GDPR, online businesses appear to be losing the ability to deny services to a user who knowingly, and with clear consent, chooses to take personal responsibility over the data they provide to said businesses.
Regardless of whether this is for the "greater good", this is deeply unsettling territory.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#30I'm pretty sure that's illegal under GDPR.
what? seriously? Do EU citizens have some kind of legal right to Facebook access, now? It's illegal for Facebook to not serve people they can't sell to advertisers? I'd love it if Facebook were nationalized (or destroyed), but none of the coverage of the GDPR made it sound like it was going in that direction. I thought it was just another stupid "click here to acknowledge our cookies" rule that was going to spam up t…
Please take a moment and consider the implications of a nationalized company that tracks and records every thought of its users.