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The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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>the global currency of the future, that they need to buy some, and that he’s the man to safeguard it. Looks like in the future people hoard currency instead of spending and investing it then. That ought to be interesting. It also demonstrates the costs associated with non-reversible transactions, these vaults aren't storing gold ingots or priceless artifacts, just private keys. Banks around the world don't need to w…

That's because - and everyone but the uninformed or idealists know this - it's an investment product. It's simply not suitable as a currency, because one, inflation / instability, and two, it can only do what, a dozen transactions a second, if that? That's not nearly enough to become a viable currency.

Re: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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post #17

>the global currency of the future, that they need to buy some, and that he’s the man to safeguard it. Looks like in the future people hoard currency instead of spending and investing it then. That ought to be interesting. It also demonstrates the costs associated with non-reversible transactions, these vaults aren't storing gold ingots or priceless artifacts, just private keys. Banks around the world don't need to w…

> in the future people hoard currency People hoard(ed) currency in the past and present as well

Indeed. The stockholm syndrome of Keynesianism is pervasive and unnoticed by many. The correct response to erosion of value is hoarding.

Re: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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“You couldn’t pay me to keep it with a bank.” Because if there's one thing banks are known for, it's running off with client assets suddenly and without warning. Oh wait, that's cryptocurrency startups...

Two things they are known for; Not allowing very large balances to be withdrawn at once. Complying with asset freeze orders.

And you think this bank (re: the article) falls outside of those? You won't be able to get your btc out quickly in this one either. Same with online exchanges for that matter.

They also have much lower transaction fees.

Re: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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post #17

>the global currency of the future, that they need to buy some, and that he’s the man to safeguard it. Looks like in the future people hoard currency instead of spending and investing it then. That ought to be interesting. It also demonstrates the costs associated with non-reversible transactions, these vaults aren't storing gold ingots or priceless artifacts, just private keys. Banks around the world don't need to w…

Bitcoin seems to have already undergone a deflationary collapse. Its original goal of Internet money has been abandoned in favor of the concocted idea that it is a "store of value." Unfortunately it's a poor store of value since it requires a constant stream of electricity to maintain. Gold, land, and other traditional idle stores of value just sit there and are free to maintain with the exception of the cost of phys…

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Re: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the entire point of crypto is not relying on centralised institutions. Also, Bitcoin is not a startup.

At what point are the miners/network considered the centralized institution? Are corporations considered “decentralized institutions” in the world of bitcoin enthusiasts? After all corporations are made up of decentralized shareholders that can vote for and change the directors. If that doesn’t fit...what about a credit union? Like bitcoin there are no “owners/shareholders” of credit unions they are simply comprised…

> At what point are the miners/network considered the centralized institution?

Very much this; I'm fairly sure that if there is an organization that wants to direct / control btc, all they have to do is open up their (real money) wallet and get the majority mining capacity. If they first drop the value of BTC by selling or whatnot, miners / automatic miners will switch to more profitable currencies so the total hashes / second will lower, making a hostile takeover easier.

Re: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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post #17

>the global currency of the future, that they need to buy some, and that he’s the man to safeguard it. Looks like in the future people hoard currency instead of spending and investing it then. That ought to be interesting. It also demonstrates the costs associated with non-reversible transactions, these vaults aren't storing gold ingots or priceless artifacts, just private keys. Banks around the world don't need to w…

That's because - and everyone but the uninformed or idealists know this - it's an investment product. It's simply not suitable as a currency, because one, inflation / instability, and two, it can only do what, a dozen transactions a second, if that? That's not nearly enough to become a viable currency.

What do you mean, what inflation?

Re: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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post #30
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess you weren't around in 2008. Oh remember those securitized mortgages we sold you? Yeah, they're worthless now. By the way we bought insurance on them becoming worthless, because we were pretty sure this would happen when we sold them to you.

Those were speculative investments, not bank accounts. Nobody lost money in an FDIC insured account. The comparison is also dubious for another reason: everyone who did even the tiniest bit of diligence knew the mortgage and derivative markets were in a huge bubble. Phrases like “liar loan” were common, they had to invent new ways to rate derivatives which didn’t meet the traditional standards, etc. but so many peopl…

It is relevant because the mantra of "traditional financial institutions have your best interests at heart, unlike those Bitcoin scammers" is demonstrably false.

Re: The Wealthy Are Hoarding $10B of Bitcoin in Bunkers

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According to its proponents, Bitcoin is digital gold. (Interestingly it’s not an “electronic currency” anymore even though that was the original title of the 2008 whitepaper. I suppose Lightning Network or something is supposed to fix that with new transaction layers backed by the Bitcoin gold.) One aspect of gold’s historical value is that it’s traditionally recognized even in societies in collapse. I’ve never under…

> Or is the idea that Bitcoin will be valuable again when the wealthy finally crawl out of their New Zealand bunkers and reestablish the financial system?

The idea is that the transactions are irreversible and you cannot rely on any number of police officers or judges to fix a theft.

The bunkers are for security's sake, not preserving-wealth-in-an-apocalype's sake.

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