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Re: Android P

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Post by blackbrokkoli »

ohazi wrote: post #153

Am I the only one who doesn't want a phone that arbitrarily changes behavior in opaque and uncontrollable ways? Machine learning is fine for hard tasks like voice recognition, but it really shouldn't be used for things that would otherwise be a few checkboxes. I know the trend nowadays is to assume that users are irredeemably stupid, but this? Seriously? You can keep this update. I don't want it.

Yes, thank you! I absolutely despise when computer systems acts like it knows better.

It's the reason why I choose LaTex over Word, Unix over Windows AND Android over iOS

Re: Android P

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Post by opayen »

I wish they will use all of these new AI capabilities to fix the share UI (https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/05/google-please-fix-a...)

Personally, I always use the same app when sharing URLs (Send to Instapaper). Yet, it always shows me default actions I never used (send via Twitter DM, Print, etc.) and takes like 5 seconds to have the UI usable.

Re: Android P

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Post by [deleted] »

angry_octet wrote: post #134
gruez wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Encryption of specific secrets for each app. you mean something like ios keychain? what does this do that can't be achieved using disk encryption + sandbox? >Ad and js blocking capable browser. firefox for android

> you mean something like ios keychain? what does this do that can't be achieved using disk encryption + sandbox? Because once the phone is booted and unlocked by the user there is no further protection. Do you keep your phone turned off? Also the lack of device pairing means it is usually easy to dump the encrypted image and crack the pass code quite quickly. https://blog.elcomsoft.com/2017/10/ios-vs-android-physica…

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Re: Android P

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #154
ohazi wrote: post #153

Am I the only one who doesn't want a phone that arbitrarily changes behavior in opaque and uncontrollable ways? Machine learning is fine for hard tasks like voice recognition, but it really shouldn't be used for things that would otherwise be a few checkboxes. I know the trend nowadays is to assume that users are irredeemably stupid, but this? Seriously? You can keep this update. I don't want it.

No, you're not the only one. It's so easy to search for the answer to almost any question about your phone (how do I keep the screen from blanking? How do I set a timer? How do I install a widget (and what's a widget)? Etc. My wife tends to ask me these types of questions and I keep telling her that probably 20 million other people have asked the exact same question so google it. She's finally getting it. I think peo…

Does your wife enjoy being treated like an idiot?

Re: Android P

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

esaym wrote: post #150

About 18 months ago I bought a Samsung S6 off of ebay new in a box for $250. Was actually my first "real" smart phone. I've liked it quite a bit but was disappointed at them taking 8+ months to bring android updates. I was thinking I might get Oreo this August or so. But then I just learned that they've (Sumsung) discontinued all S6 support. So now I guess I'm screwed. I really liked the samsung health app and the bu…

> Any tips?

Don't buy Samsung? I learned this lesson a long time ago.

Re: Android P

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Post by gdrulia »

jayd16 wrote: post #168
ohazi wrote: post #153

Am I the only one who doesn't want a phone that arbitrarily changes behavior in opaque and uncontrollable ways? Machine learning is fine for hard tasks like voice recognition, but it really shouldn't be used for things that would otherwise be a few checkboxes. I know the trend nowadays is to assume that users are irredeemably stupid, but this? Seriously? You can keep this update. I don't want it.

You say that but the reality is its really convenient. I go to a taco place every Thursday and pre-order the tacos for pick up from their app. The app icon is only ever in the suggested list around lunch time on Thursdays. How awesome is that? Its pointless borrowing trouble. Complain when they screw up, not when you think they can't pull it off.

But one Thursday I don't pre-order, and I'm actively doing other stuff, maybe outside, phone slippery, need to check something and damn it... clicked on that suggestion, now have to wait to get to what I actually intended.

Just my experience with android.

Re: Android P

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Post by haspok »

I love how it starts with:

"Technology should help you with your life, not distract you from it. "

and then

"A new Dashboard, for instance, shows you how you’re spending time on your device, including time spent in apps, how many times you’ve unlocked your phone, and how many notifications you’ve received."

Who cares? What am I supposed to do with this information? (Apart from Google, of course.)

Re: Android P

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Post by dagurp »

haspok wrote: post #217

I love how it starts with: "Technology should help you with your life, not distract you from it. " and then "A new Dashboard, for instance, shows you how you’re spending time on your device, including time spent in apps, how many times you’ve unlocked your phone, and how many notifications you’ve received." Who cares? What am I supposed to do with this information? (Apart from Google, of course.)

It's useful for helicopter parents

Re: Android P

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Post by askvictor »

ohazi wrote: post #153

Am I the only one who doesn't want a phone that arbitrarily changes behavior in opaque and uncontrollable ways? Machine learning is fine for hard tasks like voice recognition, but it really shouldn't be used for things that would otherwise be a few checkboxes. I know the trend nowadays is to assume that users are irredeemably stupid, but this? Seriously? You can keep this update. I don't want it.

I think Google's goal here is to make your phone a personal assistant, similar to a human personal assistant. And humans arbitrarily change their behaviour in opaque and uncontrollable ways. Hopefully your phone won't change it's behaviour because it had a rough night last night, but it looks like it's going to take a guess at what you want, and learn if it gets it wrong.

If you don't want this, maybe you'll get the option to switch off that feature, or you can use one of the community builds of Android, and make sure you buy phones that are supported by them.

Re: Android P

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Post by vincnetas »

I'm amazed and simultaneously shocked by current state of technology and it's use.

28.6 MB in 8 gifs on the site. But i had not noticed that because site fully loaded in 7 seconds.

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