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Re: Android P

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Post by fnordsensei »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #159
dyarosla wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is known to shamelessly copy features that work and are consumer friendly- I have no doubt that they'll be keeping a close eye on how consumers respond to these updates.

This is ironic given that Android P lifted iPhone X navigation and is adding support for notches, also lifted from the iPhone X.

As a longtime iPhone user, I'm very happy that the competitors copy shamelessly from each other. The more they take the good parts from competition and refine it, the quicker maturity can be improved the board.

We're in the era where basic phone capabilities have stabilized. Aspects of competing offerings converging, because it has become more well-defined what the basics of phone is, and the basics of how it's supposed to behave.

Less "innovation" (trial and error), more copying of basics, and marginal improvements is disappointing to techies, but it's good for almost everyone else.

Re: Android P

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Post by wvenable »

esaym wrote: post #150

About 18 months ago I bought a Samsung S6 off of ebay new in a box for $250. Was actually my first "real" smart phone. I've liked it quite a bit but was disappointed at them taking 8+ months to bring android updates. I was thinking I might get Oreo this August or so. But then I just learned that they've (Sumsung) discontinued all S6 support. So now I guess I'm screwed. I really liked the samsung health app and the bu…

Keep it as is? I have a Samsung tablet from a few years back that got a single major OS update and has run smoothly and perfectly as the day I got it.

My iPhone got a huge number updates over it's lifespan but it also got steadily slower and less reliable after each one.

There is nothing in Oreo or even P that's really worth it.

Re: Android P

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Post by y4mi »

dyarosla wrote: post #146
dvcrn wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope some of these things make it into iOS at some point too! Especially the greyscale stuff sounds great

Apple is known to shamelessly copy features that work and are consumer friendly- I have no doubt that they'll be keeping a close eye on how consumers respond to these updates.

uuh, i'd applaud them for copying working features?

why should they be ashamed to add a useful feature that somebody else pioneered?

you as a consumer only stand to benefit after all. though i'm not a user of apple devices, i see absolutely not fault in that.

Re: Android P

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Post by canuckintime »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #159
dyarosla wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is known to shamelessly copy features that work and are consumer friendly- I have no doubt that they'll be keeping a close eye on how consumers respond to these updates.

This is ironic given that Android P lifted iPhone X navigation and is adding support for notches, also lifted from the iPhone X.

Both iPhone X and Android P lifted their gesture navigation from webOS

Re: Android P

#175

Post by takeda »

y4mi wrote: post #173
dyarosla wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple is known to shamelessly copy features that work and are consumer friendly- I have no doubt that they'll be keeping a close eye on how consumers respond to these updates.

uuh, i'd applaud them for copying working features? why should they be ashamed to add a useful feature that somebody else pioneered? you as a consumer only stand to benefit after all. though i'm not a user of apple devices, i see absolutely not fault in that.

He forgot to add that after copying, they also claim it is theirs.

Re: Android P

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Post by gcatalfamo »

I used to be excited about product releases like this one.

But after years of bloated releases and devices that feel old and laggy after just one year of use, I’d rather welcome an Android version that prioritized UI fluidity over everything else.

I loved my Nexus 5, but the Nexus 5x was dead on arrival, to the point that my current setup (1 Android and 1 iPhone) will by just iPhones. I’ll definitely miss some features but I need my work horse to just work and not freeze when I try to press switch between apps.

Re: Android P

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

fnordsensei wrote: post #171
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ironic given that Android P lifted iPhone X navigation and is adding support for notches, also lifted from the iPhone X.

As a longtime iPhone user, I'm very happy that the competitors copy shamelessly from each other. The more they take the good parts from competition and refine it, the quicker maturity can be improved the board. We're in the era where basic phone capabilities have stabilized. Aspects of competing offerings converging, because it has become more well-defined what the basics of phone is, and the basics of how it's suppo…

I don't actually disagree, I just found the statement above somewhat hilarious, given the major changes in Android P.

Re: Android P

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Post by cma »

wtvanhest wrote: post #166

If someone from google reads this, can you please consider removing the functionality that periodically drops the nav bar at the top down? Many people use the top of their screen as a bar to line up and read text. Your site is basically unreadable.

When you scroll up to reread something, it literally hides it.

Re: Android P

#179

Post by gowld »

sizzle wrote: post #165
jhoechtl wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dislike the idea of an electronic device to change its interaction patterns in non-deterministic ways.

Can you give an example of this behavior, I'm having trouble understanding how to classify this. Thanks.

Simple common example:

I frequently share content to my spouse.

One day, I share content to my parent.

Next day, the order of users in the sharebox has changed, so my parent is in the spot my spouse used to be, so my muscle memory sends my parent a message meant for my spouse.

Re: Android P

#180

Post by birksherty »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #169
angry_octet wrote: post #51

Lots of slick UI stuff, but no meaningful updates to things that are well overdue: - Encryption of specific secrets for each app. - Fine grained control of what information is shared with apps. - Ability to selectively deny particular data (and have the app keep working, e.g by giving it an empty contacts list, fake phone ID, etc). - Ad and js blocking capable browser. Why should installing e.g. the facebook app, all…

Doesn't Android pretty much have all that already? > Encryption of specific secrets for each app Not sure what you mean by this, but apps are already sandboxed and can't access each other's data. What specific threat are you trying to protect against? > Fine grained control of what information is shared with apps Already exists. > Ability to selectively deny particular data (and have the app keep working, e.g by givi…

Fine grained permission does not exist on Android. Bunch of permissions are grouped together* and the app gets all if I allow it.

This is the main reason I root my phone and use XPrivacy. After using XPrivacy, Android permission seems stupid. I can't go back to that.

* Bunch of permissions are grouped together into CATEGORIES and the app gets all if I allow that category.

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