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Re: Android P

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Post by Someone1234 »

wakkaflokka wrote: post #39
cbhl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until you discover in X months that moving from the beta to release versions that get security updates requires wiping your phone.

You have to wipe the phone to upgrade to the release version? Might change my mind about installing the beta.

If you do OTA (over the air) updates, no, you don't need to ever wipe your device. At the end of the beta they'll just push the retail version and de-enroll your device.

This is my third beta (8 and 8.1) and I never wiped.

Re: Android P

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Post by kuschku »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #5

While I appreciate the concept of learning things like "common next steps" to make a device more usable, going by the history of devices like Google Home or the Google Assistant, I also wonder how much of this is going to depend on "give us all your usage history" settings and simply stop working with those settings disabled. The Google Assistant is already unusable without a pile of search history settings enabled;…

Google already has all your usage history.

You can view it yourself by dialing ##INFO## aka ##4636## and then selecting "Usage data".

You’ll see all apps you’ve used, for how long you’ve used them overall, how many times, and when the last time was.

EDIT:

    *#*#4636#*#*
This goddamn markup on HN is utterly broken, I wish it would someday get fixed. But no, of course not.

Re: Android P

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Post by kuschku »

ucaetano wrote: post #25
3steve wrote: post #19

I thought Project Treble was supposed to make the updating process easier from an OEM point of view. If so I wish they supported the Nexus 5X and 6P for one more version.

I don't think those phones ever had Treble.

But they should have. Ending support just one version before basically immortality for the phones is just a bad joke.

Especially when the only available alternative starts at 3 times the price. $900 for the smallest Pixel in Germany, fuck that.

Re: Android P

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Post by Zarel »

51Cards wrote: post #7
russellbeattie wrote: post #2

I was skeptical of the new home button and app overview - (why fix something that already works pretty well?) - but it actually looks good and seems to actually improve the experience.

I was the same. The moment I saw the three icons gone I rolled my eyes. I thought it was pretty user friendly as is. That said once demoed I am interested to try it. I would like to have an option to toggle back though if desired because... When I see UI changes like this my initial concern is not for myself but for my 75 year old mother. It has taken her years to be able to move through Android with some efficiency…

I installed the beta the moment I heard the keynote say I could immediately.

The new swipe-up-from-Home UI is off by default. I had to turn it on in Gestures. By default, it's the old three-button UI: Back, Home, App switcher.

Re: Android P

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Post by izacus »

kuschku wrote: post #43
ucaetano wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think those phones ever had Treble.

But they should have. Ending support just one version before basically immortality for the phones is just a bad joke. Especially when the only available alternative starts at 3 times the price. $900 for the smallest Pixel in Germany, fuck that.

Treble requires SoC vendors to provide drivers with explicit support. SoCs from Nexus devices aren't supported by Qualcomm so they simply can't be upgraded.

Re: Android P

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Post by eitally »

fooker wrote: post #15

I'm almost tempted to try out the beta on my daily driver Pixel. Seems like a stupid decision though. Is there an easy way to manage this from a worktation? Completely backup my current state and restore it afterwords?

I felt the same and had mentally prepared for a factory reset, and all the pains that accompany having to re-setup a phone from scratch.

I upgraded anyway.

I have literally had nothing break or change for the worse, and moreover, the phone (Pixel XL) is noticeably more responsive. I was such a ludicrously smooth upgrade I have been actively looking for colleagues to compliment on the work.

Re: Android P

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Post by Sargos »

3steve wrote: post #19

I thought Project Treble was supposed to make the updating process easier from an OEM point of view. If so I wish they supported the Nexus 5X and 6P for one more version.

It does. Check out all of the non-Google phones that can install the beta -today-. No waiting. That's only possible due to Treble.

Re: Android P

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Post by rs86 »

Funny how "machine learning at the core" is a selling point. ML is a technique not a feature...
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