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Re: List of screw drives

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Even using the correct drivers Phillips head screws tend to strip. I have both drivers, and the Pozidriv screws seem to strip quite a lot less frequently than the Phillips. Of course neither strips as rarely as Torx, Allen, or Robinson. Hex bolts are also great.

Phillips screws are design to have the driver leave the socket if it is over-torqued. Frequently people keep going after this has occurred which results in stripped heads, but if you listen to what the tool is trying to tell you then it shouldn't happen.

The article states that there is no evidence for this being part of the design.

Re: List of screw drives

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It seems like choosing a screw drive is almost as difficult as choosing which programming library, framework or environment to use. Well, maybe not. New ones probably aren’t added quite as often.

I work for a company that makes scientific equipment. We apply a few basic criteria, which narrow things down a lot.

First, a lot of those fasteners are either really specialized or just rare or obsolete. So they can be ruled out.

We look for something that will be easy for our assemblers, and for our field service technicians. They have given us feedback on what they like and dislike, including what kinds of tools are common in different parts of the world. They hate flat head screws. Hex socket screws are really easy, and it's also easy to make them look nice on an assembly.

To an increasing extent, we want tools that can be used with a torque handle. For instance hex drive is better than Philips in that regard.

I hate to say that it's still a work in progress, but we are heroically trying to get away from fractional drivers, especially for our field technicians who presently have to carry full sets of US and metric tools. We even have mixtures of US and metric in some products!

If something is meant to be serviced by a customer (e.g., a lamp or filter that gets replaced), then we stick with Philips, which we are told is common worldwide. Or we use a captive knurled fastener if it's in a place where there's finger access.

So these are just a few thoughts. Other considerations are whether you're in an industry that has already standardized on a particular tool set, such as metric allen wrenches for bikes.

Re: List of screw drives

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It seems like choosing a screw drive is almost as difficult as choosing which programming library, framework or environment to use. Well, maybe not. New ones probably aren’t added quite as often.

I work for a company that makes scientific equipment. We apply a few basic criteria, which narrow things down a lot. First, a lot of those fasteners are either really specialized or just rare or obsolete. So they can be ruled out. We look for something that will be easy for our assemblers, and for our field service technicians. They have given us feedback on what they like and dislike, including what kinds of tools a…

> We even have mixtures of US and metric in some products!

In North America, tire sizes are given in millimeter width, but imperial mounting diameter. E.g. 175-65R14: 175mm width, 65% aspect ratio (sidewall height to width or something like that), for a 14" wheel.

Re: List of screw drives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phillips screws are design to have the driver leave the socket if it is over-torqued. Frequently people keep going after this has occurred which results in stripped heads, but if you listen to what the tool is trying to tell you then it shouldn't happen.

The article states that there is no evidence for this being part of the design.

It is mentioned in later patents, and regardless it is a specific part of the tool's behavior. Its continued use is based upon this fact.

Re: List of screw drives

#25

I'd like to see the development of these on a timeline, including the rise of power tools. I suspect that hex, torx, and similar are only feasible due to torque-control being available on modern driving tools; prior to that the screw had to be able to disengage (cam out) to prevent it breaking.

This touches on what you're talking about. If you have the time the entire video's a gem of history screw history touching on Nails going into screw coatings, drives, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3jG5xtSQAo#t=5m05s

Re: List of screw drives

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phillips screws are design to have the driver leave the socket if it is over-torqued. Frequently people keep going after this has occurred which results in stripped heads, but if you listen to what the tool is trying to tell you then it shouldn't happen.

I’ve mainly had the problem when getting them out. Especially when the application requires thread locking compound and has been out in the field for a few months or years - even when they had been properly torqued with a torque wrench. We abandoned Phillips and Pozidriv completely and went to Torx for the screws (we were already using hex for bolts). Haven’t really had any issues stripping out screws since.

Phillips is incompatible with thread lock assuming you want to take them out. If threadlock is not used the removal torque is actually less than the insertion and it shouldn't be a problem in this case.

Re: List of screw drives

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Do you find yourself stripping Phillips head acres frequently? That is because you are confusing Phillips and Pozidriv heads. They look similar but have a different head and different amount of engagement. I just bought myself some Wiha drivers after years of using shitty tools. I am so much happier now.

Protip: All Ikea furniture with screws use Pozidriv heads. (Everything with bolts using Allen heads, of course.)

Re: List of screw drives

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phillips screws are design to have the driver leave the socket if it is over-torqued. Frequently people keep going after this has occurred which results in stripped heads, but if you listen to what the tool is trying to tell you then it shouldn't happen.

I’ve mainly had the problem when getting them out. Especially when the application requires thread locking compound and has been out in the field for a few months or years - even when they had been properly torqued with a torque wrench. We abandoned Phillips and Pozidriv completely and went to Torx for the screws (we were already using hex for bolts). Haven’t really had any issues stripping out screws since.

Even without thread locking compound, if the thing they're stuck in has corroded the screw/bolt or expanded. Phillips shouldn't strip going in, but it sure as hell strips coming out.

Re: List of screw drives

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post #7

Do you find yourself stripping Phillips head acres frequently? That is because you are confusing Phillips and Pozidriv heads. They look similar but have a different head and different amount of engagement. I just bought myself some Wiha drivers after years of using shitty tools. I am so much happier now.

Maybe I run into a different problem, but I feel if that's the case then a lot of Pozidriv headed fasteners are sold as Phillips head?
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