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Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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That article prompted me to reread "Remembrance of Times East" [1]. That describes an Australian aboriginal tribe which only has absolute position terms, no relative ones. So they say for instance "the cup on the north-east side of the table", rather than left or right.

This even affects their concept of time, whose flow from past to future is described in terms of an absolute geographical orientation frame. Rather than me repeat it here, if you're interested, read the abstract of [1].

[1] http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797610386621...

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by Pimpus »

blueprint wrote: post #42
Pimpus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but this wasn't helpful to me. I feel like you're speaking in riddles now. Do you have any sources I could read up on?

I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed. It takes time to confirm. Every living thing suffers means to stop suffering then you have to die forever. Really think Buddha taught that? People don't need a rare master's help to do that lol

> I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed.

I understand, thanks for taking the time to reply in the first place. I apologize if I was curt, but I found your posts here hard to understand. Reading your past comments helped elucidate what you mean.

I'm going to sleep now and I'm finding HN frustrating (I couldn't reply to you when I first saw your post) -- how can I contact you? I'm curious how you came to know what you know and if you had a teacher (your past comments hint that you did). I would like to find a good teacher, but I've been dismayed by my contacts with spiritual people and truth seekers. They are nice people, but they all seemed delusional and I had a bad gut reaction to them. You also seem delusional to some extent: you engage in pedantry and over-rationalization (I also do the latter so I recognize it easily). I do find certain delusions to be useful and engage in them consciously for my and others' benefit. Anyway, I want a teacher because my search has been haphazard and I basically stumbled onto my current elevated awareness (in comparison to my previous self) by sheer luck.

Thanks for posting on HN, even if people don't always want to hear you!

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by blueprint »

xaedes wrote: post #58
Pimpus wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offense, but this wasn't helpful to me. I feel like you're speaking in riddles now. Do you have any sources I could read up on?

I think it means ego is just a label for a thing in the world. What exist itself is the truth. Not the label. The call for a try to define ego as a precise as possible ("as a mathematician") and in the sibling post from user blueprint probably shall make you attemt just this, but fail at it. I think the "ego" dies when you see what you are looking for in what it is. Not in words not in labels not in labels. Just beco…

May I mention to you that I differ from your interpretation?

> Objectively the real world is just what it is, one. No things at all. These are just models. The underlying world is still what it is. One.

What is the answer of 1+1?

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by blueprint »

Pimpus wrote: post #62
blueprint wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed. It takes time to confirm. Every living thing suffers means to stop suffering then you have to die forever. Really think Buddha taught that? People don't need a rare master's help to do that lol

> I had a short time to reply and wanted to tell you the information you needed. I understand, thanks for taking the time to reply in the first place. I apologize if I was curt, but I found your posts here hard to understand. Reading your past comments helped elucidate what you mean. I'm going to sleep now and I'm finding HN frustrating (I couldn't reply to you when I first saw your post) -- how can I contact you? I'…

You need to ask lots of questions and we need to keep checking you understand in every detail. That can take a long time. The best situation would be for you to meet an enlightened being and observe what they say and do but unfortunately there are none alive. You would notice that they advise you not to say what you have not confirmed and can help you confirm the difference between your thought that you are aware, and things in reality. This is a very difficult process for 95% of people to undergo and accept. So, if you don't mind, could you tell me first of all what you really want to know? Lots of people said they want teaching but after they get something they want they usually leave and don't come back.

As for delusion when you say that to someone please provide something they can confirm.

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by blueprint »

JoshCole wrote: post #48
blueprint wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The greatest masters in the history of the human world such as Gautama Buddha never taught or used the term "ego". That ought to tell humans something.

The same could be said of the term graphene, transistor, computer, genetics, probability distribution, bayesian, nueron, electricity, and millions of other words. We can't learn much from the lack of their use, because the lack of their use says little about their validity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presentism_(literary_and_histo...

Are you suggesting categorical equivalence between an unconfirmed concept in psychology (which people use without being able to give its definition) and a confirmed physical effect used in material technology?

Your fallacy is.....

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by agumonkey »

ropeadopepope wrote: post #8

In short, time awareness and spatial awareness are linked. Does that mean if you increase your spatial reasoning skills, you could increase the accuracy of your perception of time? I ask because my spatial reasoning skills suck and so does my sense of time. The possibility of increasing both of these skills at the same time instead of just the one changes the cost/benefit equation for me.

I play drums, the sensitivity increase by detailed perception of time translates very well to kinetic sensitivity (I can almost sense momentum derivative). Not large scale space though. I do think that most of our senses are first tuned for near future and thus local interactions, not architecture-size understanding?

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by agumonkey »

cecilpl2 wrote: post #17
Pimpus wrote: post #2

> “In older language, distances were typically given by time — the days it takes to go from one valley to another — since it was not distance but the number of sunsets that was easy to calculate.” This makes sense evolutionarily. I imagine that for the primitive man, a concept like time did not make much sense -- position and motion were the important things to track. We were aware of change, but perhaps we did not c…

Interestingly, where I'm from (BC, Canada), it's quite common to give distances between cities in terms of driving time. "Oh, Kelowna is about 5 hours away." Is this expression common anywhere else?

I'd say it's probably the most common encoding for casual communication. Nobody remembers distance (unless for specific trips were it was read). 500m ? 1000m ? well "2min that way" + some external location to help ballparking.

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by xaedes »

blueprint wrote: post #63
xaedes wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it means ego is just a label for a thing in the world. What exist itself is the truth. Not the label. The call for a try to define ego as a precise as possible ("as a mathematician") and in the sibling post from user blueprint probably shall make you attemt just this, but fail at it. I think the "ego" dies when you see what you are looking for in what it is. Not in words not in labels not in labels. Just beco…

May I mention to you that I differ from your interpretation? > Objectively the real world is just what it is, one. No things at all. These are just models. The underlying world is still what it is. One. What is the answer of 1+1?

Depends, lets say 2.

Math.

Is it access to a real realm of reality or just a bunch of tools to help us make it in the world?

Yea thats a good question. Looks like a question where my answer is probably "both".

Re: Brain cells that track location in space appear to also count beats in time

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Post by blueprint »

xaedes wrote: post #69
blueprint wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

May I mention to you that I differ from your interpretation? > Objectively the real world is just what it is, one. No things at all. These are just models. The underlying world is still what it is. One. What is the answer of 1+1?

Depends, lets say 2. Math. Is it access to a real realm of reality or just a bunch of tools to help us make it in the world? Yea thats a good question. Looks like a question where my answer is probably "both".

I used mathematics as an example to give you a sense of what things in reality (truth) are like. People don't perceive what is in the world of the truth just by learning what exists there from someone who can see and say it. Nevertheless, if you learn and use the truth, such as in your work, you can get what you want. You just won't be able to confirm how much of the whole thing you can see, lacking enlightenment.

By the way, everyone is in reality. So how can you say "access" to a real "realm" of reality?

When you decide you have something to you want to know, ask me again.

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