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We'll change our whole business model and do 100% open source, so I guess it'll be Github.
Github is 100% open source. News to me.
I believe he meant their product will be open-sourced so it will have home at github.
Is it worth supporting Firefox?
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Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does an ad look like?
Ad blockers will block images that are standard banner ad size. Maybe a text ad has "ad" somewhere in it's in CSS. We do only internally hosted ads and non-JS text sidebar ads and they're happily blocked by all major ad blockers. Doing everything "right" is no defense. I'm not saying you can't make ads completely indistinguishable from content but I also don't think that's the solution that we want either.
Thanks :-) I didn't know they also look for common banner sizes.
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
How does an ad look like?
Ad blockers will block images that are standard banner ad size. Maybe a text ad has "ad" somewhere in it's in CSS. We do only internally hosted ads and non-JS text sidebar ads and they're happily blocked by all major ad blockers. Doing everything "right" is no defense. I'm not saying you can't make ads completely indistinguishable from content but I also don't think that's the solution that we want either.
Some people just don't want ads. Paradoxically, the sites I care most about are the ones I want to periodically visit, and enjoy without the ads. So the ad blocker will have filters fine tuned for those.
Is that a sustainable business model? Well, no. There's a direct donation on sites nowadays luckily.
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
So the site's owners and employees should work for you for free because you're giving them exposure. https://www.reddit.com/r/choosingbeggars would enjoy discussing that proposition.
>So the site's owners and employees should work for you for free because you're giving them exposure. Yes, they probably should. It works in the retail world. Shop owners are usually happy to have non-paying customers in their store, and restaurant owners usually happy to have low-paying customers (i.e. they don't buy very much), to make sure their establishment "looks busy". Having a store or eatery with few or no c…
> Yes, they probably should.
Until internet publishers reach that conclusion themselves, is it OK to force a different business model on them? To be clear, that "business model" is "I don't like the form of payment this business is asking for, so I'll take the merchandise for free instead."
When a business has high prices or a poor experience, it's customary to shop elsewhere, not to raid the store.
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
>So the site's owners and employees should work for you for free because you're giving them exposure. Yes, they probably should. It works in the retail world. Shop owners are usually happy to have non-paying customers in their store, and restaurant owners usually happy to have low-paying customers (i.e. they don't buy very much), to make sure their establishment "looks busy". Having a store or eatery with few or no c…
> Yes, they probably should. Until internet publishers reach that conclusion themselves, is it OK to force a different business model on them? To be clear, that "business model" is "I don't like the form of payment this business is asking for, so I'll take the merchandise for free instead." When a business has high prices or a poor experience, it's customary to shop elsewhere, not to raid the store.
Amazon makes 1000€+ revenue from me bying stuff there and still shows ads and tries to sell me credit cards..
Do you mind if i hide all this shit while bying stuff on Amazon?
I use about 5 non-commercial services which may show ads (don't know whether they do or not and not gonna disable adblocker to check). I would happily pay 10€-15€ per month for this services, if there would be good save annonymes payment service. I don't want to send my utility bill to paypal or give away my credit card number. Maybe crypto would be a possibility.
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
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I would love to see the numbers for those as I'm never in front of my computer when I listen to a podcast and I don't remember the ads long enough to followup even when I'm interested in the product. It's not always about direct action, it's often about brand awareness. If you listen to a lot of podcasts, you'll know the first company you think about when you are in the market for: - Mattresses - Eyeglasses - Creatin…
Oh jeez, don't tell podcast advertisers, but I read your list, recognized that I've heard ads for every one of those products repeatedly across multiple podcasts, but I couldn't remember any of the brand names except for shaving—and I think that's only because I recently got annoyed when a YouTuber I subscribe to started to advertise for Dollar Shave Club (I assume that's who you refer to) at the beginning and end of…
- Mattresses (Casper)
- Eyeglasses (Warby Parker)
- Creating a website quickly (Squarespace)
- online backup (Backblaze)
- shaving products. (Dollar Shave Club)
- Mesh networking devices (Eero)
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
#197How hard is it to sell a fixed tag or any block of text within an article? Sell it as "this content will stay there for as long as the page is published". The problem is that every major publisher has bought into centralized ad brokers. Google and Facebooks of the world sell the idea that they can personalize ads better than content producers and so everyone relies on their trackers and javascripts to build content b…
This only holds true for publications with a very specific audience though and even then, it's not going to be optimal. Of course if you have a purely tech oriented blog, or even better, one focused on a specific technology, then surely you can get decent results by partnering with one specific advertiser specific to that niche, but as soon as your audience gets more diverse, like the audience of your average run of…
I don't know whether it is practical or not, my argument is: knowing your audience is a crucial point of the content business (specially if it's "free"). If I'm a writer, a publisher, etc I need to know my audience. Outsourcing ads to third-party means I don't care (enough) about my audience.
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depends on whether you share the links to others who run without ad blocking in place.
So the site's owners and employees should work for you for free because you're giving them exposure. https://www.reddit.com/r/choosingbeggars would enjoy discussing that proposition.
I think it's pretty easy to detect adblockers and hide content for users with adblockers. Some sites do so and I leave immediately. It's not like their content is valueable for me. Usually I got there by accident (clicking random link in SERPs). Actually, it would be a cool setting in search engines to hide sites which don't allow adblockers - better for everyone.
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
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I don't think it is. I don't use ad blockers, but I also don't come back to websites where I've had a bad experience. If you do something hostile, like auto-play video, I'm gone and I'm not coming back. It makes for a fairly serene web browsing experience.
It literally says > Manager says that we should just discourage the users of Firefox (not optimizing for Firefox, and poor UI) from visiting our website as they bring a loss.
How can they actively bring a loss, though?
Does the power and bandwidth needed to have the server serve Firefox users cost more than Firefox users bring in over all?
Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?
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I guess you never visited porn sites in the late 90s. I think their model of opening up 100s of new windows was slightly more annoying that flashing gifs :)
Yep. And there was a shock-site run by GNAA called "Last Measure". Long story short, it uses HTML5 and flash exploits to put a hundred popups of various porn shock images alongside blaring over the speakers "HEY EVERYBODY IM LOOKING AT GAY PORN" Unless you: ban flash, ban popups, and ban Java; you are going to have a bad time, and necessitate in rebooting to get it to stop. I consider it a good tool to check for clie…
I have java, flash and javascript disabeled by default and still feel not save enough to visit that site :D