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Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#21

Firefox is a standards-conforming web browser. If some nincompoop puts a web page out there and my browser can't render it, I'm not going back. I make an exception for restaurant websites, because I want to see the menu and they all seem to have been defrauded by the same bad designer.

It was me. I made a fortune.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#22
post #15

> I work for a major publisher. Ad-blockers are starting to hurt our revenue big time. No. What's hurting your edit:employer's revenue is years of blinking GIFs, auto-play videos and misleading links thrown between paragraphs. That's the first reason why I started using ad-blockers 15 years ago. The privacy issue is a recent thing. > We're doing a redesign now. Manager says that we should just discourage the users of…

But what if this publisher never did that? Ad blockers are taking off because of Internet-wide abuses (malware, privacy, gross obnoxiousness). It's a tragedy of the commons. Publishers never got together to regulate themselves so users are now doing it for them.

Chrome is now starting to block the worst ad offenders but googles own ads (While not very obnoxious) are still out of line in terms of privacy abuse.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#23

The biggest irony for me is the fact the new Reddit doesn't fully work for me in Firefox (all plugins / extensions disabled) there seems to be completely missing the ability to toggle / collapse comments from Firefox. Works on Chrome. Not sure who QAd those new changes but they missed one of the features I use most on HN and Reddit...

Reddit broke for me on Firefox whenever they moved to ssl permanently, hitting the back button always reloads the page rather then going back to the cached state it was in so comments show uncollapsed. HN doesn't seem to have this problem.

I've noticed that too, is it only a Firefox thing? It's very annoying.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#24
post #4

Sounds like a major publisher is in big trouble when the management tells the webdevs which browsers they should support.

It's worse than that, if you read more comments, they're actively breaking Firefox (reader mode, etc). It's not the IE era of benign neglect.

Some of the comments are helpful in building in a better business case, such as this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/8hha0r/is_it_worth_... . In summary /u/wedragon says that users have multiple environments and even multiple browsers. Damaging or disabling Firefox on the desktop may lose the profitable mobile side where the user may have Safari or Chrome.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#25

Firefox is a standards-conforming web browser. If some nincompoop puts a web page out there and my browser can't render it, I'm not going back. I make an exception for restaurant websites, because I want to see the menu and they all seem to have been defrauded by the same bad designer.

The comments said that the reason the page doesn't work on firefox is they detect the user agent for firefox and don't load the css if its found.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#26

Firefox is a standards-conforming web browser. If some nincompoop puts a web page out there and my browser can't render it, I'm not going back. I make an exception for restaurant websites, because I want to see the menu and they all seem to have been defrauded by the same bad designer.

The rule of thumb for restaurants is the poorer the website, the better the food. Restaurants with Flash-only pages that haven't been updated for 15 years are the best. Also, the cleaner the bathrooms, the cleaner the kitchen.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#27
Yes, it's worth "supporting" Firefox. Just like it's worth it to "support" a standards compatible web browser. I swear we're going backwards in time to IE6 days when everyone built for just one browser and forgot that others existed.

Do you really want Google to dictate how the web works? I don't. When Microsoft did this we lost _years_ of meaningful improvements and just recently got the ability to vertically center in CSS.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#28
I honestly wonder if this is real, or the whole story.

How many websites are actually doing things that require a meaningful amount of extra effort to support Firefox if it already works in Chrome/Safari?

For most websites, cross-browser testing is almost an afterthought these days.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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post #15

> I work for a major publisher. Ad-blockers are starting to hurt our revenue big time. No. What's hurting your edit:employer's revenue is years of blinking GIFs, auto-play videos and misleading links thrown between paragraphs. That's the first reason why I started using ad-blockers 15 years ago. The privacy issue is a recent thing. > We're doing a redesign now. Manager says that we should just discourage the users of…

But what if this publisher never did that? Ad blockers are taking off because of Internet-wide abuses (malware, privacy, gross obnoxiousness). It's a tragedy of the commons. Publishers never got together to regulate themselves so users are now doing it for them.

Why can't we have content based ads that are non-intrusive like television and old print media? Yeah they still interject in the middle of content, but not with the same level of deceit as what some ads and sponsored links do on web media.

I would disable my adblocker for sites that have ad campaigns not based on "gross obnoxiousness", privacy intrusions, and disregard for if an advertising party is serving up malware. I even miss advertising because I'm not exposed to things I might otherwise be interested in, but I won't accept it in the current form.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

#30

> I work for a major publisher. Ad-blockers are starting to hurt our revenue big time. No. What's hurting your edit:employer's revenue is years of blinking GIFs, auto-play videos and misleading links thrown between paragraphs. That's the first reason why I started using ad-blockers 15 years ago. The privacy issue is a recent thing. > We're doing a redesign now. Manager says that we should just discourage the users of…

I think this is an arms race which the publishers have no hope of winning. Worst case I'll just have my own personal blocklist for the publishers which have this DRM crap. I actually do have an extension which just filters out sites from the Google search listing...
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