Is it worth supporting Firefox? • Hacker News Board

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by Matt3o12_ » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:09 PM UTC

jacobparker wrote: post #10

Matt3o12_ wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can use old.reddit.com to load the old design or can also change it in your settings (if you are logged in). I have found their new design quite confusing so I reverted back to the old one for now. Tbh I sometimes wish there was a website which uses reddit’s API to display all articles/images using HN design. No clutter, minimal JS and no random scrolling when going back/reloading.

Some friends and I have http://f6oclock.com (open-office mode: http://www.f6oclock.com/#ninja ) for reading r/politics (a guilty pleasure). I like minimal UIs. Showing Reddit in an HN skin is a pretty funny idea so I might give it a shot tonight. (It's named f6oclock because there was f5oclock but they made it suck...)

Sounds pretty cool! Please feel free to also post it in this thread so I can check it out!

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by erichdongubler » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:10 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

The biggest irony for me is the fact the new Reddit doesn't fully work for me in Firefox (all plugins / extensions disabled) there seems to be completely missing the ability to toggle / collapse comments from Firefox. Works on Chrome. Not sure who QAd those new changes but they missed one of the features I use most on HN and Reddit...

Have you tried clicking the vertical bar that spans the comment and its children right underneath the voting buttons?

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by nxc18 » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:10 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #3

The biggest irony for me is the fact the new Reddit doesn't fully work for me in Firefox (all plugins / extensions disabled) there seems to be completely missing the ability to toggle / collapse comments from Firefox. Works on Chrome. Not sure who QAd those new changes but they missed one of the features I use most on HN and Reddit...

I had the same issue. It was a result of the privacy settings being turned up (I think there's a built-in block list).

Edit: dug a little more, it's probably unrelated to your issue, but worth a check.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by johnchristopher » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:11 PM UTC

> I work for a major publisher. Ad-blockers are starting to hurt our revenue big time.

No. What's hurting your edit:employer's revenue is years of blinking GIFs, auto-play videos and misleading links thrown between paragraphs. That's the first reason why I started using ad-blockers 15 years ago. The privacy issue is a recent thing.

> We're doing a redesign now. Manager says that we should just discourage the users of Firefox (not optimizing for Firefox, and poor UI) from visiting our website as they bring a loss.

But that'd just bring chrome users who use ad-block.

> Edit: They are even going to approach google and ask them to introduce new API's that allow us to determine if browser really chrome or just chromium, so that we block chromium. And a DRM for website instead of only video DRM that exists, so that user cannot view source code, and no extension can block the ads. Other publishers are doing the same thing. Expect new DRM for HTML5 too.

Going to be fun :/.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by Steltek » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:14 PM UTC

johnchristopher wrote: post #14

> I work for a major publisher. Ad-blockers are starting to hurt our revenue big time. No. What's hurting your edit:employer's revenue is years of blinking GIFs, auto-play videos and misleading links thrown between paragraphs. That's the first reason why I started using ad-blockers 15 years ago. The privacy issue is a recent thing. > We're doing a redesign now. Manager says that we should just discourage the users of…

But what if this publisher never did that? Ad blockers are taking off because of Internet-wide abuses (malware, privacy, gross obnoxiousness). It's a tragedy of the commons. Publishers never got together to regulate themselves so users are now doing it for them.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by sevensor » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:14 PM UTC

Firefox is a standards-conforming web browser. If some nincompoop puts a web page out there and my browser can't render it, I'm not going back. I make an exception for restaurant websites, because I want to see the menu and they all seem to have been defrauded by the same bad designer.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by scarface74 » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:14 PM UTC

ppeetteerr wrote: post #9

Display ads are dead. They have been dying for over a decade. Video ads have picked up some slack but they too are being commoditized. These days, publishers are turning to the paygate model and commerce. Anyone who thinks that ads can pay for publishing are fooling themselves into believing they are part of the top percentile of publishers for whom this works due to sheer impression volume.

There is also the opposite end of the spectrum where advertising works - niche publications by small teams.

In the Apple ecosystem there is Daring Fireball. John Gruber charges $6500 a week for one ad that appears on Monday on both the website and RSS Feed and a thank you post at the end of the week.

He also charges $5500 for three ads in each podcast.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by icebraining » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:15 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

sirn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comment collapsing works fine for me on Firefox 59[1] [1]: https://i.imgur.com/rCB8npT.png

You're missing the [+] next to the up down arrows, try opening it in Chrome to see..

They show up and work for me on FF59: http://sufi.andreparames.com/Screenshot2018-05-07.png

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by ttctciyf » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

> Also we and some other publishers are even approaching google for full page html drm standard. This means adblock will have a hard time, as they cant modify the requests. Full page drm means that extensions cannot interfere with the page.

Esccalation has reached the nuclear phase.

Re: Is it worth supporting Firefox?

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Post by sirn » Mon, May 07, 2018, 1:16 PM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #8

sirn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comment collapsing works fine for me on Firefox 59[1] [1]: https://i.imgur.com/rCB8npT.png

You're missing the [+] next to the up down arrows, try opening it in Chrome to see..

I don't have Chrome installed but I tried in Vivaldi (based on Chromium) and couldn't see the [+] either. Maybe they were A/B testing the collapse UI?