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Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

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Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#11

Post by c00p3r »

Why one need all this shitload when there is kvm?

  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  64K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm-amd.ko
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  86K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm-intel.ko
  -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 478K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm.ko
qemu-kvm and libvirt based stuff with a community support?

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#13

Post by cdavid »

c00p3r wrote: post #11

Why one need all this shitload when there is kvm? -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm-amd.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm-intel.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 478K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm.ko qemu-kvm and libvirt based stuff with a community support?

Vmware is one of the few software I have ever bought, I am pretty hardcore open source otherwise.

Vmware works very well, has top notch clone/backup/rollback feature, can automatically install tons of different OS. That's a real time saver.

I use kvm at work where we don't have vmware licenses, and while it does work nicely, there is still no working rollback that I know of, and the network configuration is a PITA in general. Vmware frees me from all that hassle that I frankly don't want to deal with.

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#14

Post by c00p3r »

cdavid wrote: post #13
c00p3r wrote: post #11

Why one need all this shitload when there is kvm? -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 64K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm-amd.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 86K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm-intel.ko -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 478K 2010-08-20 23:44 kvm.ko qemu-kvm and libvirt based stuff with a community support?

Vmware is one of the few software I have ever bought, I am pretty hardcore open source otherwise. Vmware works very well, has top notch clone/backup/rollback feature, can automatically install tons of different OS. That's a real time saver. I use kvm at work where we don't have vmware licenses, and while it does work nicely, there is still no working rollback that I know of, and the network configuration is a PITA in…

Have you ever seen a crashed ESX Server with no community support, tons of home-brew utilities with wired command line arguments which throw a bizarre error messages to you that even google know nothing about? I did. ^_^

The idea is about reducing complexity and reusing community-tested solutions, not creating a new layer of complexity with a coded in a rush, badly tested poorly documented closed-source layer.

btw, if I use native lvm I can get a lot of flexibility.

edit: some BS removed.

btw, there is still no x86_64 xen-host for a modern kernels.

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#15

Post by fname »

rualthan wrote: post #8
fname wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VMware's newer products for enterprise virtualization (VSphere, 4i) are built on top of the SuSE Linux kernel... so my guess would be a purchase to essentially own the underlying OS kernel they build their product on top of. IIRC, their older products were built using Red Hat instead, they made the switch a couple years ago.

This is my first comment here. Oh Boy! how easy and fast it was to sign up!! I sign just to comment because the comment "(VSphere, 4i) are built on top of the SuSE Linux kernel" is so wrong. The Classic ESX has Service Console is is customized RHEL. ESXi does not have the Service Console. It still does have a command console where one can run ESX commands and a limited set of Unix commands which AFAIK are Busybox's.…

Welcome!

The Classic ESX has Service Console is is customized RHEL

ESX 3.5 was built on top of RHEL, but vSphere 4 was completely redone. Ask anyone at VMware my friend.

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#16

Post by fname »

sangaya wrote: post #7
fname wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VMware's newer products for enterprise virtualization (VSphere, 4i) are built on top of the SuSE Linux kernel... so my guess would be a purchase to essentially own the underlying OS kernel they build their product on top of. IIRC, their older products were built using Red Hat instead, they made the switch a couple years ago.

When I was in one of the vSphere training classes the instructor informed us that the hypervisor is completely homegrown and that only the Management Console (which is a VM that provides CLI access) runs on top of a Linux kernel.

I was referring to the Management Console.

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#17

Post by cdavid »

c00p3r wrote: post #14
cdavid wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vmware is one of the few software I have ever bought, I am pretty hardcore open source otherwise. Vmware works very well, has top notch clone/backup/rollback feature, can automatically install tons of different OS. That's a real time saver. I use kvm at work where we don't have vmware licenses, and while it does work nicely, there is still no working rollback that I know of, and the network configuration is a PITA in…

Have you ever seen a crashed ESX Server with no community support, tons of home-brew utilities with wired command line arguments which throw a bizarre error messages to you that even google know nothing about? I did. ^_^ The idea is about reducing complexity and reusing community-tested solutions, not creating a new layer of complexity with a coded in a rush, badly tested poorly documented closed-source layer. btw, i…

I feel sorry for your experience, it just does not match mine. Note that we are not talking about the same products - I mainly use vmware workstation/player/fusion (I deal a lot with cross platform issues in some medium-size open source projects).

Concerning things coded in a rush, I cannot say about vmware, but libvirt and the associated tools certainly are far from mature in my experience, at least for an end user.

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#18

Post by c00p3r »

cdavid wrote: post #17
c00p3r wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever seen a crashed ESX Server with no community support, tons of home-brew utilities with wired command line arguments which throw a bizarre error messages to you that even google know nothing about? I did. ^_^ The idea is about reducing complexity and reusing community-tested solutions, not creating a new layer of complexity with a coded in a rush, badly tested poorly documented closed-source layer. btw, i…

I feel sorry for your experience, it just does not match mine. Note that we are not talking about the same products - I mainly use vmware workstation/player/fusion (I deal a lot with cross platform issues in some medium-size open source projects). Concerning things coded in a rush, I cannot say about vmware, but libvirt and the associated tools certainly are far from mature in my experience, at least for an end user.

I had once a system which runs 64-bit FreeBSD, RHEL and Solaris on one Core-Quad box with Fedora 13. It used for testing mostly while FreeBSD instance was used as a Windows VPN server (mpd5) and OpenVPN.

Btw, there is an issues with last updates of qemu-kvm in Fedora 13. beware.

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#19

Post by allertonm »

c00p3r wrote: post #14
cdavid wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vmware is one of the few software I have ever bought, I am pretty hardcore open source otherwise. Vmware works very well, has top notch clone/backup/rollback feature, can automatically install tons of different OS. That's a real time saver. I use kvm at work where we don't have vmware licenses, and while it does work nicely, there is still no working rollback that I know of, and the network configuration is a PITA in…

Have you ever seen a crashed ESX Server with no community support, tons of home-brew utilities with wired command line arguments which throw a bizarre error messages to you that even google know nothing about? I did. ^_^ The idea is about reducing complexity and reusing community-tested solutions, not creating a new layer of complexity with a coded in a rush, badly tested poorly documented closed-source layer. btw, i…

It was Citrix, not VMWare, that bought XenSource.

Re: Vmware (A division of EMC) to buy Suse Linux from Novell

#20

Post by c00p3r »

allertonm wrote: post #19
c00p3r wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you ever seen a crashed ESX Server with no community support, tons of home-brew utilities with wired command line arguments which throw a bizarre error messages to you that even google know nothing about? I did. ^_^ The idea is about reducing complexity and reusing community-tested solutions, not creating a new layer of complexity with a coded in a rush, badly tested poorly documented closed-source layer. btw, i…

It was Citrix, not VMWare, that bought XenSource.

Oh. Thank you. Need more sleep. ^_^
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