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Re: Subscription Hell

#31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was Bloomberg making $35 from ads from my 3 visits to their site per month? If not why do they ask me now for $35?

Welcome to the economics of ad free websites (for now, at least). A large percentage of people simply will not pay for website access, no matter how low the price. So you get your money from those who do, who value the service so highly that parting with it would be huge pain point for them, and, so Bloomberg assumes probably after extensive surveys, those who feel that way about their publication, will likely have 3…

Just because a large percentage won't pay doesn't mean that putting the price high will maximise income. It's possible that at $10/month they'd get 5x the signups.

That said, increasing prices is hard; reducing is easy. If you're trying to figure out sweet spot for max revenue is it probably makes sense to start high and slowly reduce it until you find it. If you're on a rolling monthly payment and decrease everyones prices together, nobody will get upset.

Re: Subscription Hell

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At the time of this writing, all of the comments here are focused on content, but I want to touch on the author's bit about software:

> It’s not just Bloomberg and media — it’s software too. I used to write everything in Ulysses, a syncing Markdown editor for OS X and iOS. I paid $70 to buy the apps, but then the company switched to a $40 a year annual subscription, and as the dozens of angry reviews and comments illustrate, that price is vastly out of proportion from the cost of providing the software (which I might add, is entirely hosted on iCloud infrastructure).

I have noticed this as well, that a not-small number of software programs have turned from "give us one money for this version" to "give us slightly smaller amount of one money per month, but do it in perpetuity if you want to keep going with the data you've entered."

That, to me, is crap and is incredibly frustrating, especially when the subscription model is coupled with a data lockout threat. A task manager, a word processor, even a drawing program...none of these ought to require a subscription to be able to use. Sure, have a subscription service for something that needs upkeep, like a syncing service (but get out of here if all you do is just lump it into the user's iCloud storage) or a data feed. But it's almost insulting to say "we used to charge you $50 once, now we're charging you $29.95 per month forever (if you want to see those notes in two years, and no, we don't have a data takeout API); it's such a deal!"

Re: Subscription Hell

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Or, stop consuming so much shit. It's OK to not have everything, you know?

It's a pity you're being downvoted as what you say really makes a lot of sense and everybody would do well if they followed this advice.

Even if we choose not to have things because they're expensive, it doesn't mean we should not complain about the prices. Companies make changes based on feedback so if there's good evidence that people think something is too expensive, the company may consider changing their prices or have offers.

I don't think people don't complain about stuff enough, we get taken for rides by big companies all the time while their CEOs take home massive pay packets. People should fight for better services and lower prices more; it works!

Re: Subscription Hell

#35
I disagree with the author that subscriptions are objectively and inherently the superior model for web monetization. An unsung virtue of the ad-driven web it's is inclusiveness and strong worldwide redistribution effects. Everybody sees the ads, however the actual value of a pair of eyeballs is widely variable, by orders of magnitude so. It's therefore profitable to make the content free and distribute it as far as possible, to have the best chance of catching high value visitors that covert to ad action and revenue.

The net effect is that large swaths of society and indeed the world get the internet services for free, subsidized by purchases made by richer westerners, purchases and services they themselves could never afford. This model works well with the economic structure of web publishing, where marginal cost of serving an existing page to a new customer is essentially zero - even for the obese, media rich pages the author is referring to.

Once you move to a flat fee, this massive redistribution ceases. There is a clearly defined model of customer, say, those living in the middle class of an OECD country, that is targeted to maximize revenue, and a paywall is put in place that excludes 95% of the rest of the world. These are people for which 9$ might represent a tenth of their wage, and who might not even have access to modern banking through which to purchase internet services.

The open web was created by hacker ethos, but paid for using ads; a flat tax against widely variable income is strongly inequalitarian and exclusionary.

Re: Subscription Hell

#36

> I’m an emphatic champion of subscription models, particularly in media. > All of these subscriptions are starting to add up. Just thought I'd save everyone the time of reading this article. Not much substance.

Don't forget this one:

>"Consumers want immersive experiences, well-designed pages with fonts, graphics, photos, and videos coming together into a compelling format."

Re: Subscription Hell

#37

At the time of this writing, all of the comments here are focused on content, but I want to touch on the author's bit about software: > It’s not just Bloomberg and media — it’s software too. I used to write everything in Ulysses, a syncing Markdown editor for OS X and iOS. I paid $70 to buy the apps, but then the company switched to a $40 a year annual subscription, and as the dozens of angry reviews and comments ill…

True. A subscription to Office 365 comes down to 99 Euros per years. Of course you’d pay maybe 150 every three years or so for a new version back in the days, but still that’s double.

Also, I wonder whether this will lead to a slower development of the software. Before you’d have to create a leap forward to impress people to buy the new version, if the old version was still good enough.

Re: Subscription Hell

#38
There was a short period of time when companies competed for monopoly status.

That time is now almost over - we have established monopolies.

Established monopolies use their power - that's why they fought so hard to become monopolies in the first place.

This article is saying 'gee, I liked it when Uber kept giving me really cheap rides, but now it doesn't anymore, such hell!'

The only reason you were getting cheaper rides was because it was a mafia deal, I help you now, for free, but when the time comes, you do something for me. That's how it works folks...

Re: Subscription Hell

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At the time of this writing, all of the comments here are focused on content, but I want to touch on the author's bit about software: > It’s not just Bloomberg and media — it’s software too. I used to write everything in Ulysses, a syncing Markdown editor for OS X and iOS. I paid $70 to buy the apps, but then the company switched to a $40 a year annual subscription, and as the dozens of angry reviews and comments ill…

edit: disregard my comment below, as others have reminded me, the yearly charge is for updates and will not stop you from using it completely if you decide not to renew it, you just don't get any more updates. So this isn't the best example

> I have noticed this as well, that a not-small number of software programs have turned from "give us one money for this version" to "give us slightly smaller amount of one money per month, but do it in perpetuity if you want to keep going with the data you've entered."

Like Sketch App which used to be just US$99[1] and is now US$99/year[2]. Although in this example, "slightly smaller" doesn't apply

1. https://web.archive.org/web/20160416212244/http://sketchapp....

2. https://www.sketchapp.com/pricing/

Re: Subscription Hell

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony of saying that on a popular site that does neither of those things should be lost on no one.

HN is has two parts: 1. Free chitchat 2. Links to content. HN isn't much without the external content.

To be fair it's the comments that count. HN could randomly generate topics with a markov generator and still retain 80% of the value for me :)
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