And abundance of vitamin D through sun exposure is a reason why it's great to live in Mediterranean Basin, Australia or California instead of Norway, Sweden or Canada. Sun is a huge factor in both health and happiness although the northern societies seem to underplay it.
Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital
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Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital
#52HN health posts tend to get posted without context and you'll get a pile of people [inadvertantly, I'm sure] pushing their supplement regime as a way to stave off clinical depression et al.
This paper is NOT saying that low VitD causes psychiatric admission, just that patients may require supplements to bring them back to healthy levels.
You get most of your vitamin D from skin exposure to sunlight so it's reasonable to suggest that these people with psychiatric issues and low VitD are likely to be shut-ins.
The paper says as much... But people have a strange habit of ignoring the paper and latching their own beliefs onto the headline.
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#53As these kind of stories are so popular on HN, I recently started curating a list at https://github.com/Jimnotgym/Hacking_Depression I hope it helps someone one day.
Would you like to add this book to your list? I posted it to HN, but it never got any attention. "Nutrient Power: by William J. Walsh" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/14603192-nutrient-power If found it via this article: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/02/bill-sardi/weaning-away-... "Dr. Walsh concludes, after years of investigation, that a gene-altering process called methylation (explained below) is involved i…
That is really interesting. Thank you I have added it
Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital
#54HN health posts tend to get posted without context and you'll get a pile of people [inadvertantly, I'm sure] pushing their supplement regime as a way to stave off clinical depression et al. This paper is NOT saying that low VitD causes psychiatric admission, just that patients may require supplements to bring them back to healthy levels. You get most of your vitamin D from skin exposure to sunlight so it's reasonable…
> This is NOT saying that low VitD causes psychiatric admission, just that patients may require supplements to bring them back to healthy levels.
Yes. This study is showing one aspect of physical healthcare that needs to be addressed when people are inpatients. Other factors include (but aren't limited to) smoking cessation, exercise, sexual health, skin integrity, medication review, and food.
Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital
#55HN health posts tend to get posted without context and you'll get a pile of people [inadvertantly, I'm sure] pushing their supplement regime as a way to stave off clinical depression et al. This paper is NOT saying that low VitD causes psychiatric admission, just that patients may require supplements to bring them back to healthy levels. You get most of your vitamin D from skin exposure to sunlight so it's reasonable…
Another persective, which you just provided, is very healthy. I really need to see what you saw.
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ...antisocial behavior, which means staying indoors or generally away from other people. That is not at all what "antisocial behavior" means. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-social_behaviour
Right. I learned that in the UK there is even an Anti-social Behavior Order (ASBO), essentially a catch-all law for people exhibiting these behaviors (which apparently spans all kinds of stuff from graffiti to littering). No comment as to the rightness or wrongness of this, but there it is.
It’s in the DSM, which is published by the American Psychiatric Association.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disor...
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#57As these kind of stories are so popular on HN, I recently started curating a list at https://github.com/Jimnotgym/Hacking_Depression I hope it helps someone one day.
Good stuff. You might want to take a look at this too: https://www.mindful.org/the-mindful-way-through-depression-v... . "Studies in recent years have shown MBCT to be 43 per cent effective in reducing relapse in sufferers of depression—as effective as antidepressants."
Added too. I have promoted this up the list as well.
Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital
#58What about other deficiencies? Other vitamins and nutrients? You'd expect people that are admitted to psychiatric hospitals to have more than one deficiency since they might not be able to take good care of themselves.
Search for micronutrient deficiencies + a psychiatric condition on PubMed and you'll get many results.
Off the top of my head zinc, magnesium, various forms of B-vitamins and selenium imbalances are seen in different disorders. Zinc deficiency in depression, zinc overabundance in schizophrenia. Both zinc and magnesium seem to have roles in NMDA neurotransmission. B-vitamins play a role in neurotransmitter production.
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#59mentally ill > stays inside more often not really a hard conclusion to reach
You haven't tested Mentally ill > lives on the streets in the sun all day
It's not the actual presence in a dwelling that is the detrimental to mood but the implied lack of social interaction or meaningful pursuits. A homeless person can have those same problems to a greater extent and with other health issues included.
Re: Prevalence of vitamin D deficiency in adults admitted to psychiatric hospital
#60A little while back, there was this submission to hacker news that didn't get much traction/attention, but which was about a research study that seemed to suggest that Vitamin D deficiency was a symptom of an underlying problem and just supplementing with Vitamin D was not sufficient as a fix and that the underlying cause of the deficiency the study said could be inflammation related to bacterial infection.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00011-014-0755-...