They 'll have a lot less to collect this year with GDRP. Or maybe not
How does GDPR relate to NSA surveillance. . .?
NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
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Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
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This entire thread is proof that people will vehemently spout opinions on topics that they don't even have the slightest understanding of. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency Try reading literally just the first paragraph.
Thanks for that reputable source -- but I'm still missing your implication. Do you mean to say that the NSA is primarily concerned with foreign intelligence rather than combating domestic terrorism? Then why so much domestic spying, the entire point of this conversation thread? Furthermore, are you trying to tell me you think they've done a good job in their counterintelligence work? Honestly, given what we have obse…
>Then why so much domestic spying, the entire point of this conversation thread?
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Let's only worry about what other nations are doing, until their agents and activities enter our country. Then we might as well stop bothering. Makes sense.
What are you referring to? Do you have a security clearance? Do you think that other nations aren't constantly attacking our electronic infrastructure and security? What in the world makes you think that you would be aware of any success whatsoever of intelligence gathering in the Middle East? What makes you think that the situation couldn't have gotten much worse that it did?
Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
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> Uh, the constant mass shootings I think your point is sound, but I'm not sure this is the best example. Regular shootings are causing a lot more deaths, although I doubt the NSA has any interest in stopping either one (and of course, their official charge doesn't include either one).
Right, but what else is the NSA ostensibly carrying out all this domestic espionage for if not to preempt domestic terrorism (which by and large has been dominated by mass shootings in recent years, it's been a bit since we had e.g. a bombing), which by all accounts is at its highest point in recent memory?
>but what else is the NSA ostensibly carrying out all this domestic espionage for if not to preempt domestic terrorism
Yeah... foreign terrorism only occurs when foreign entities stand at the border and throw things into our country. LMAO.
Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
#74Automatically collecting everyone's cell phone data, has software automatically installed in Smart TV's everywhere, monitors your online footprint (emails, social media[of course]). All those warning from Snowden all those secret software reveals from wikileaks an untold amount of funding from congress with virtually no oversight. And yet tons of bad things keep happening to regular citizens in the US. What exactly d…
You're not the only one. What hurts the most for me is that I wrote my doctoral thesis on privacy back in 2003 and I touched on a number of these issues. 9/11 ruined my career, though. After 9/11, nobody wanted privacy or to even talk about privacy. I knew all this was going to happen. David Brin knew all this was going to happen, and so did a lot of other writers and pundits. And here we sit now, wondering what to d…
> After 9/11, nobody wanted privacy or to even talk about privacy.
Yup! And not only did the NSA turn into a monster, but so did the TSA (or more aptly, that monster was created), the biggest theatre troupe on the planet, because that's all it is.
The most eye opening thing happened just recently to cement this in my mind. After the Superbowl parade in Philadelphia this year, I caught a ride from PHL to SFO. Basically everyone else in the world was leaving the same time as me, so there were lines stretched around the airport to get through security. The line for my terminal began in the parking structure.
So you know what they did? Of course you do. They relaxed all the rules and let everyone through metal detectors. Shoes on. Belts on. Liquids? Bring em through. Laptops and tablets, leave them in your bags. That giant invasive scanning machine? What do we have that for anyway? Step on through the metal detector, I don't have time to grope you today. It was the most fun I've had in an airport since 2001.
So let me get this straight. For years, I've been disrobing in public and subjecting myself to groping on the off-chance that someone might have a bomb tucked under their scrotum, yet on the BUSIEST DAY EVER it's okay to throw all those security protocols out the window.... why??
But no one questioned it then, in 2001 and the years thereafter, and no one is questioning it now.
Oh, and for anyone who's wondering, after processing a record number of passengers for that airport with absolutely no security screening, a total of zero (0) airlines were taken down that day.
Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, but what else is the NSA ostensibly carrying out all this domestic espionage for if not to preempt domestic terrorism (which by and large has been dominated by mass shootings in recent years, it's been a bit since we had e.g. a bombing), which by all accounts is at its highest point in recent memory?
>but what else is the NSA ostensibly carrying out all this domestic espionage for if not to preempt domestic terrorism Yeah... foreign terrorism only occurs when foreign entities stand at the border and throw things into our country. LMAO.
Is there a reason you're being so intentionally mean throughout this thread? Take a deep breath, maybe a quick walk around the block. Your points are being lost because your vitriol is so overpowering.
Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
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>And yet tons of bad things keep happening to regular citizens in the US. Like what? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. >What exactly does the NSA do? Whom are they protecting? Cause it sure is not the average citizen. ??? Sounds like you know absolutely nothing about espionage. Maybe you are right, but intelligence agencies don't talk about their activities, even their successes, for very goo…
>Like what? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. Uh, the constant mass shootings that have occurred over the past year wherein, 100% of the time, the perp was already known to police and FBI and had a very public troubling online presence detailing their years of mental instability and virulent racism? >intelligence agencies don't talk about their activities, even their successes, for very good…
> NSA [is] just as responsible for dropping the ball on domestic terrorism every other week
Domestic terrorism isn't the NSA's purview. Their job is signals intelligence against the rest of the world.
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What a horrendously condescending reply. If you want to do any one any good, the least you can do is elaborate.
What is the expectation here? The commenter has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. The arguments are being made are clearly without any understanding of how any intelligence agency operates, and absolute ignorance of the NSA's mandate, much less any actual data about its activities. It's like reading a post by someone bitching about the modern Hollywood blockbuster culture by citing Superman's plot arc i…
Sure it's shallow and ill considered, but it's also a not uncommon view among a large part of the population. While a pro NSA voice is not common here, providing lucid counter arguments would allow all of us to view the augments and maybe learn how best to counter these types of assertions in other venues.
Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
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> Uh, the constant mass shootings I think your point is sound, but I'm not sure this is the best example. Regular shootings are causing a lot more deaths, although I doubt the NSA has any interest in stopping either one (and of course, their official charge doesn't include either one).
Right, but what else is the NSA ostensibly carrying out all this domestic espionage for if not to preempt domestic terrorism (which by and large has been dominated by mass shootings in recent years, it's been a bit since we had e.g. a bombing), which by all accounts is at its highest point in recent memory?
Yeah, I mean I'm with you, but again: the NSA is not charged with preventing domestic crimes. It's a foreign intelligence agency.
Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report
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>And yet tons of bad things keep happening to regular citizens in the US. Like what? I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. >What exactly does the NSA do? Whom are they protecting? Cause it sure is not the average citizen. ??? Sounds like you know absolutely nothing about espionage. Maybe you are right, but intelligence agencies don't talk about their activities, even their successes, for very goo…
We have not been made (substantially) safer. The trade was not worth it. A town near me recently installed ANPR license plate readers. Their justification was to catch criminals, particularly those engaging in property crimes which were going unsolved. Did ANPR help solve some property crimes? Almost certainly. Were property crimes up significantly prior to the installation of the ANPR readers? No. Are they down sign…
>We have not been made (substantially) safer.
How do you know that?
>Were property crimes up significantly prior to the installation of the ANPR readers? No. Are they down significantly after? No.
I get that this comparison sounds similar, but it really doesn't make any sense. The most powerful nations in the world are constantly trying to gain as much access to our secure systems, communications, and infrastructure. Even though these efforts are almost entirely hidden from every level of the public, we still have plenty of stories of things like Stuxnet or the Chinese obtaining classified engineering data.
The NSA exists to combat this. They aren't fighting crime. They aren't fighting what is essentially an economically guaranteed statistical effect (property crime). They are an intelligence gathering and signal analysis agency tasked with thwarting foreign actors, which we know are actively pouring massive resources into activities hostile to us. That is why they exist, and that is why their successes (and failures) are almost entirely unknown to the general public.
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Ostensibly they tax you for “services” Property tax Gas tax Sales tax --- Schools suck Roads suck Law enforcement sucks Pollution sucks --- But shiny new government buildings All cops have new cars Gas prices are out of control The recycling fund was looted Social security was looted Trump just announced today to the NRA that he just gave a shit-ton of military weaponry to the police “you cant buy this stuff” he said…
I take issue with some of these points. > Property tax > Schools suck > Roads suck I have no argument there. > Sales tax Have these been rising recently? > Gas tax > Gas peices [prices] are out of control Gas prices and whatever embedded taxes they have aren't that bad. They're much better than their peak around 2008 at over $4/gal. > The recycling fund was looted I'm not familiar with this. > Social security was loo…
My sales taxes have doubled since my childhood. I am back in the same jurisdiction and they have gone from 4% with no local component to 7% state, 1% local. Nearly a tenth of everything I spend goes to taxes, and that's on top of federal income tax, social security tax, federal unemployment tax, state unemployment tax, state income tax, county income tax, property tax, fuel tax, excise tax, cable and internet tax, phone tax, restaurant tax, and probably a dozen others.
Other localities in other states are worse than that.