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Canada facing ‘brain drain’ as tech talent leaves for Silicon Valley

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Re: Canada facing ‘brain drain’ as tech talent leaves for Silicon Valley

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I disagree. The income disparity increases at senior levels. I hit a ceiling in Toronto where I hard trouble growing my career and making more than $180,000 CAD TC. Moving to silicon valley my experience was able to fetch over $500,00 USD TC. Sure it meant that for a year and a half my spouse can't work but that's not a big deal.

What was your role in CAD and then USA?

Staff software engineer in a somewhat niche field so the lack of opportunities was a real issue.

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Is the very competitive salary over 300k USD? That's what's competitive in the Bay Area or Seattle for senior talent. While there are benefits to Canada as you mentioned, for a lot of people they don't make up a 50% pay cut.

> Is the very competitive salary over 300k USD? How many jobs are actually paying that? The salaries posted on the "Who Is Hiring?" threads don't corroborate that, nor does my experience in NYC (which is supposed to be on par with those areas).

Neither do sites like Glassdoor and Paysa. Maybe if you count signing bonuses + equity bonuses. But those aren't salary per se.

With that said, 200k wouldn't be that unreasonable as an expectaction at a senior level or above at a household name tech company.

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Canadian tech worker here. Base salary is 120k CAD in Calgary which is far above market rate but I am educated, experienced etc. That is 93k USD. I am looking to move to the USA because of higher salaries, but I am not 22 years old anymore and moving a family (with 2 earners) is no easy task. It falls on deaf ears though, 120k CAD is a good income, I can afford a house, cars, no debts etc so there is very little unde…

I do remote work for this reason. Although I did manage to recently find a contractor position that pays competitively here in Canada, I find that very rarely. If you do remote contract work, mostly for US or Swiss companies, you can make 2-3x a top Canadian salary. Just throwing that out there as an alternative to moving to the US.

Can I ask what sector and languages/frameworks you use?

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In other industries, if workers are paid so cheaply in a city, this would incentivize more companies to move there, as their labor costs are much lower. But, for software engineering, companies aren't price sensitive. This is why the bay area is so popular: most software companies here don't mind paying x2 to x3 the salary.

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Canadian here. I get $65,000 USD from my remote American job. That's low enough that people on this forum snicker at me, and high enough that companies in the "tech town" that I live in physically wince when I tell them my salary expectation. I'd rather work locally, but what can I do?

How much is the rent where you live? I hope it is within expectation of your salary. Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal, have low salaries and high rents, which makes working there really hard.

Rents in Montreal are low.

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Vancouver has changed a lot in the past 5 years. There are now two tiers of tech pay: the smaller companies that pay from low to ok and then a handful of SV companies that have moved in and are paying top tier money. The dollar numbers are almost on par with the top SV salaries, albeit not with the current exchange rate. That fluctuates though. Amazon opening up a new HQ in Vancouver will just strengthen this. The do…

Very similar situation in Montréal. Handful of SV companies with offices here, a few success stories, and everything else far far below in terms of compensation.

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> the social services provided (universal healthcare, etc). I think the individual value of most social services is pretty low to people in this demographic (recent graduates taking software jobs in the US). Sure, universal healthcare is great, but US companies also provide health insurance.

That demographic you're referring to is no less likely to be involved in traffic accidents that can send you to the closest available hospital. In the US that means an ambulance bill and very likely a hospital bill that your insurance might not cover, and the high possibility of chronic pain that's not necessarily covered by your health insurance. And that's even before having to deal with lawyers in order to obtain…

Yes, but most companies in this space provide some sort of healthcare, which covers a lot of that, and accidents are a small percentage of total healthcare outlays anyway. Much more healthcare spending goes to older people, for a much broader array of more common conditions than "got into a bad car accident".

Health insurance is much more expensive at 55 than at 25.

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In Silicon Valley, most likely you are not going to afford a house anyway.. .

Well you can't afford a house in Vancouver either so why not go to the USA and earn more. The spot with the best balance seems to be Seattle. High salaries and housing relatively affordable when compared to Vancouver or SF.

Seattle's housing market is going up really quickly, though. Last time I moved, I definitely noticed higher rents and more expensive purchase prices compared to a few years ago. It's not yet at the level of Vancouver, and far from SF/NY levels, but its trajectory isn't great.

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The liberalness of Canada is overhyped. The reality is Canada is deeply conservative. It's possible to have universal health care and be conservative, that's only a oxymoron in the US. To quote this excellent article[1]: "the default setting of the Canadian male: a dull but stern dad, who, under a facade of apparent normalcy and common sense, conceals a reserve of barely contained hostility toward anyone who might ro…

>To quote this excellent article[1]: "the default setting of the Canadian male: a dull but stern dad, who, under a facade of apparent normalcy and common sense, conceals a reserve of barely contained hostility toward anyone who might rock the boat. To these types, those who make a fuss are bothersome and ignorant at best, and probably dangerous and destructive too." Just being a conservative or a right-winger is both…

What does this description have to do with being a "right-winger"? Looks like you are the one bringing a preconceived worldview into the discussion. You are not a victim.

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> who are hesitant to move to USA because of immigration restrictions. Where does this perception come from? Canada has stricter immigration rules than the USA. EDIT: Specifically what I'm talking about is that Canada only allows in immigrants who are economically desirable and speak English or French.

Trump decides to excite his base and draw attention to himself by threatening to or actually banning immigrants from your country this week difficult to plan for the future where this is a possibility

Trump's actual rhetoric revolves around tougher controls on immigrant backgrounds and cracking down on those who immigrate illegally, neither of which policies are any less strict in Canada.
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