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NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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I think the bottom line is that the American people do not really mind the NSA doing this. I suspect this is because most people do not realize just how powerful and privacy-invading metadata surveillance is, or how the dataset does not need to be added to indefinitely to have tremendous value to law enforcement (for appropriate and inappropriate uses) once it exists at sufficient scale.

Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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I think the bottom line is that the American people do not really mind the NSA doing this. I suspect this is because most people do not realize just how powerful and privacy-invading metadata surveillance is, or how the dataset does not need to be added to indefinitely to have tremendous value to law enforcement (for appropriate and inappropriate uses) once it exists at sufficient scale.

I think the people that do realize, short of armed rebellion, can do very little. If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything.

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post #3

I think the bottom line is that the American people do not really mind the NSA doing this. I suspect this is because most people do not realize just how powerful and privacy-invading metadata surveillance is, or how the dataset does not need to be added to indefinitely to have tremendous value to law enforcement (for appropriate and inappropriate uses) once it exists at sufficient scale.

I think the people that do realize, short of armed rebellion, can do very little. If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything.

If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything.

Can you elaborate on this? Why are the wealthy interested in empowering the NSA?

Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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I think the bottom line is that the American people do not really mind the NSA doing this. I suspect this is because most people do not realize just how powerful and privacy-invading metadata surveillance is, or how the dataset does not need to be added to indefinitely to have tremendous value to law enforcement (for appropriate and inappropriate uses) once it exists at sufficient scale.

I think the people that do realize, short of armed rebellion, can do very little. If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything.

The nation needs a “tax sit-in” - everyone ridicules this, but wtf do people think the boston tea party was about.

If you want governments to listen without armed rebellion, the only thing one can do is refuse taxes.

They know that this is the inly othe tool you have - and thats why taxes are woven into the fabric of the economy such that its automatically taken without you having any control over them.

Its also why you can never truly own land. Dont pay taxes on land, and they will take it.

You can only pay for the privilege to rent land. Forever.

Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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I think the bottom line is that the American people do not really mind the NSA doing this. I suspect this is because most people do not realize just how powerful and privacy-invading metadata surveillance is, or how the dataset does not need to be added to indefinitely to have tremendous value to law enforcement (for appropriate and inappropriate uses) once it exists at sufficient scale.

I think part of the problem lies in the fact that the consumers aren't the ones who have control over the dataset. The NSA pressures the Telecoms.

Re: NSA collected 500M U.S. call records in 2017, a sharp rise: official report

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the people that do realize, short of armed rebellion, can do very little. If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything.

If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything. Can you elaborate on this? Why are the wealthy interested in empowering the NSA?

What he is saying, I think, is that because of Citizens United, money controls our politics at this point and it really doesn't really matter what Joe Smith thinks.

We can prove that wrong in November, of course.

EDIT: Its true that the democrats are just as bought, but I have faith that they would also appoint a supreme court that would rule the other way as well.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the people that do realize, short of armed rebellion, can do very little. If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything.

If the people who control 60% of the nations wealth want to do this, all the complaining in the world isn't going to do anything. Can you elaborate on this? Why are the wealthy interested in empowering the NSA?

The wealthy dont care what the NSA does so long as they can remaim wealthy.

The 1% can pay whatever is required to protect their wealth - and its why the panama papers is the biggest scandal of all time.

So long as the 1% can live without consequence, they dont care how anything the government does affects the masses.

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