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China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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After relentless growth we're about to arrive at a plateauing smartphone market. I wish I could read insights from experts on what to expect in coming years in smartphone market in light of similar markets which entered a no growth zone. Specifically what will happen to prices, market shares , unit sales, pace of innovation, competition, international growth, developer ecosystems. Anyone?

Certainly we're expecting sales to slow as smartphone sales plateau, but why is it happening in China first? Is it a leading indicator of slowing growth? After all, smartphone purchases are most decidedly discretionary.

> but why is it happening in China first?

Countries where the 24 month subsidy cycle is dominant will have a lot more inertia that countries where they are rare.

Also, China is home to the "cheap flagship" brands, so much of the middle range of the market will already buy close to the technological limit. In countries where the middle of the market is mostly held by the lesser offerings of more premium brands, upgrades to a higher price tier can effectively substitute technological progress (for a while): customers expect a faster phone after n years, and if the technology doesn't deliver many will be willing extend their price range. If it helps. For those who already had a "cheap flagship", it won't.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Almost any $200+ phone made since 2015 has a pretty good camera, screen, speed for most people. Why upgrade when what you have is good enough? One used to check out gizmodo/engadget when a new phone came out but seems not anymore as "the new" is only incremental.

Because I want a great camera in my pocket. It’s only a few dollars more a month.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Almost any $200+ phone made since 2015 has a pretty good camera, screen, speed for most people. Why upgrade when what you have is good enough? One used to check out gizmodo/engadget when a new phone came out but seems not anymore as "the new" is only incremental.

I’m due for an upgrade but I’m refusing on account of new flagships not having 3.5 headphone jack.

Check out the Nokia 8

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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People upgrade because what they have becomes worse as time goes on. Maybe you don't get OS updates any more and you can't run apps you want, maybe you do get OS updates and your phone is now slower. Maybe your battery charge lasts less than a day and you don't know you can replace your battery or don't want to. Some people I know almost always end up with cracked screens and upgrade rather than repair, and some othe…

Those all seem like examples of the phone not being good enough.

Portable computing devices suffer a lot of abuse. It's very rare to drop your desktop PC in the toilet. Battery runtime is not inflating as quickly as CPU performance gains (which is now thermally limited). Non-user serviceable batteries is entirely on manufacturers.

Smart users get a case to make up for the inherent fragility of glass.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People upgrade because what they have becomes worse as time goes on. Maybe you don't get OS updates any more and you can't run apps you want, maybe you do get OS updates and your phone is now slower. Maybe your battery charge lasts less than a day and you don't know you can replace your battery or don't want to. Some people I know almost always end up with cracked screens and upgrade rather than repair, and some othe…

The Chinese market is different. Chinese carriers offer minimal subsidies, so most customers are paying close to full retail for their phones and aren't tightly coupled to a two-year upgrade cycle. Used phones are a popular choice for value-oriented customers. Repair is the norm rather than the exception, so most customers will replace a cracked screen or a weak battery rather than just disposing of their phone. Labo…

IMO WeChat is bloated. While the app itself only uses n MB, it stores all chat history and embedded multimedia on the device itself. Eventually each group chat will hog >1GB. I uninstalled after they made the app refuse to run without constant GPS permission.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People upgrade because what they have becomes worse as time goes on. Maybe you don't get OS updates any more and you can't run apps you want, maybe you do get OS updates and your phone is now slower. Maybe your battery charge lasts less than a day and you don't know you can replace your battery or don't want to. Some people I know almost always end up with cracked screens and upgrade rather than repair, and some othe…

Also apps do get updated, and when they do they sometimes grow by almost a 100 MB. Repeat that X times, and the RAM on the phone turns out to be insufficient for larger apps of the new now.

I wonder if developers targeting emerging markets curb storage bloat.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Almost any $200+ phone made since 2015 has a pretty good camera, screen, speed for most people. Why upgrade when what you have is good enough? One used to check out gizmodo/engadget when a new phone came out but seems not anymore as "the new" is only incremental.

I’m due for an upgrade but I’m refusing on account of new flagships not having 3.5 headphone jack.

I'd recommend OnePlus 5T or the upcoming 6. Switched from iPhone a few months ago and happy.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Almost any $200+ phone made since 2015 has a pretty good camera, screen, speed for most people. Why upgrade when what you have is good enough? One used to check out gizmodo/engadget when a new phone came out but seems not anymore as "the new" is only incremental.

Because I want a great camera in my pocket. It’s only a few dollars more a month.

There will always be people who want the best, but good enough solution serves most people. Smart phones have reached a point where most are at least good enough.

A flagship Samsung is say $700. That is $500 more which is more than a couple bucks a month. Clearly well worth for you but probably not for a good portion of society.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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After relentless growth we're about to arrive at a plateauing smartphone market. I wish I could read insights from experts on what to expect in coming years in smartphone market in light of similar markets which entered a no growth zone. Specifically what will happen to prices, market shares , unit sales, pace of innovation, competition, international growth, developer ecosystems. Anyone?

Hopefully a plateauing of the smartphone market along with China starting to produce memory will start to bring memory prices down. And then manufacturers will consider adding 8-16GB of memory... and at that point I wonder if more people will just use their phone docked to a monitor as their PC if Apple/Google/Microsoft do a better job facilitating it.

I doubt they will inflate BOM by $100. Excessive RAM also hurts battery life.

Re: China smartphone market suffers hard-landing, shipments decline 21% in Q1 2018

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m due for an upgrade but I’m refusing on account of new flagships not having 3.5 headphone jack.

Samsung flagship phones (Galaxy / Note) still have the 3.5mm jack.

I prefer pure Android. I honestly like iOS more now, an iPhone X with a headphone jack would be perfect for me. I'd easily pay a premium for it.
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