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Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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It's because film is a visual medium, and in these movies the protagonist always looks cool . He may be doing terrible things, but he's wearing hip clothes and driving a gorgeous car while he does them. The visual language is all screaming "this guy's great!", and it ends up overwhelming the message the story is trying to tell. If you want to know what most people will think of a character in a movie, watch the movie…

I don't think it's just the visual element. I mean Scarface looks pretty terrible by the end of the movie, and people idolize him. I suspect it's more that stories are now told purely for short-term entertainment value. We don't focus on the substance of the story or the moral, we focus on the kind of clips that end up in a trailer. You see similar trends in popular literature too.

Your observation sounds like what Daniel Kahneman described in his book: Thinking, Fast and Slow as the peak-end rule [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak%E2%80%93end_rule

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #79

I am always amazed by how many people get into this "Beat the system and make tons of money" mindset. If there's anything that has proven itself time and time again, it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy. The people who become devoted to a field or a technology - who make the business th…

> You can't just make money by trying really hard to be rich, unless, of course, your business model is funneling cash off of suckers with a predatory get-rich-quick scheme.

More wealthy people make their money this way than you might realize. Rare indeed is the person who became wealthy by actually creating something of value. Much more common is the person who cheated someone (or many someones) out of something. Making money is easy. Doing something decent is hard.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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isn’t there an implied, “in order to generate revenue”?

Maybe so, but that's very different than "Beat the system and make tons of money". See some of pg's early essays: http://www.paulgraham.com/wealth.html http://paulgraham.com/good.html Entrepreneurship is one of the least zero-sum activities you can participate in.

http://www.paulgraham.com/founders.html

It's literally on the YC application form.

"He said to ask about a time when they'd hacked something to their advantage—hacked in the sense of beating the system, not breaking into computers. It has become one of the questions we pay most attention to when judging applications."

The part about "make tons of money" isn't there, but I don't think anyone disagrees with that part -- YC recently launched a separate branch to handle nonprofit ventures.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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I don't think it's just the visual element. I mean Scarface looks pretty terrible by the end of the movie, and people idolize him. I suspect it's more that stories are now told purely for short-term entertainment value. We don't focus on the substance of the story or the moral, we focus on the kind of clips that end up in a trailer. You see similar trends in popular literature too.

Yeah, I've always found idolising scarface a little strange. Likewise, I find it odd when people go around wearing t-shirts with Che Guevara's face on them: I mean, the guy's allegedly a mass murderer. Kind of an odd hero to pick, right?

Just about every revolutionary hero is a mass murderer, from Che to Mao to Stalin to Churchill to Washington.

And not everyone knows all the history of symbols.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #79

I am always amazed by how many people get into this "Beat the system and make tons of money" mindset. If there's anything that has proven itself time and time again, it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy. The people who become devoted to a field or a technology - who make the business th…

> You can't just make money by trying really hard to be rich, unless, of course, your business model is funneling cash off of suckers with a predatory get-rich-quick scheme. More wealthy people make their money this way than you might realize. Rare indeed is the person who became wealthy by actually creating something of value. Much more common is the person who cheated someone (or many someones) out of something. Ma…

What a distorted way of looking at things. You don't make money by cheating people out of something. You make money by doing something people want you to do. (Or doing something they didn't know they wanted you to do.)

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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Were Draper and White unhappy because of their actions in the shows, or where they already unhappy and their actions in the show were them making the best of it? They both had a tragic backstory (child abuse, cancer) before the show started. Maybe other hurting people identify: Better to be a drug kingpin than just waste away into nothingness.

> Maybe other hurting people identify: Better to be a drug kingpin than just waste away into nothingness. It seems like this is an obvious read, right up until I see people mystified by these shows. "Better to be hated than pitied" is a simple enough sentiment, and if it comes alongside direction and certainty than all the better - even the certainty of having no way out. Most people don't actually do that, thank god…

Jim Profit had faith, fortitude, and "family". We all should aspire to that.

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you dont understand his strategy if you think it is out of date. 1) he buys equity in the private markets not in the public markets 2) he has capital to buy entire companies 3) he can evaluate a company based on the people, not based on financials 4) he commits to not meddling in operations. Today's tax structure forces entrepreneurs to sell because of huge tax implications of passing down a privately held company. 5…

People are forced to avoid tax on their profits? Oh the humanity!

If the sudden taxes kill the company, then certainly. It's in the US's best interest for them to avoid those taxes because if they don't then the US loses out on taxing future profits of that company.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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To your point its possible to make movies differently, there is a game called spec ops that is very subversive of the military shooter genre. Where other games want you to feel cool shooting and killing people spec ops constantly wants you to feel bad about your actions, at one point asking "do you feel like a hero yet? " Very good game.

People like the idea of it when they read about it online, but it sold poorly and the few people who played it didn't enjoy it.

The subversive games that teach a moral lesson to a player can be great, but they work best as short one-time plays, which isn't great for commerce.

There's not a lot of replayability in subverting your own expectations.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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Interestingly, American Psycho isn't on that list. Nor should it be. It's easy to come up with a few theories as to what sets it apart, but I would love to see a proper analysis of how it tackles the subject matter without glorifying the lifestyle unnecessarily--and what other films should learn from it if they aim to accomplish the same

Aside from Patrick Bateman committing gratuitous murders on screen, the major difference is that he hates his life and he never looks like he's having fun. Jordan Belfort might be doing terrible things (although not as bad as serial murder), but he looks and acts like he loves every minute of it. Bateman doesn't. You could also compare The Hangover and Leaving Las Vegas. One makes a drug-filled weekend in Vegas look…

This a great film genre: juxtaposed double-headers. Any other pairings to recommend?

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

I remember in Marketing class they taught us about "Herb the Nerd". In the 1980's Burger King was expanding and as part of this came a big advertising campaign centered around a nerdy-looking guy called Herb, who was the only person who hadn't been to a Burger King. If you could spot him in a Burger King restaurant, you could win money. It was a colossal failure , and instead of increasing customer volume, ended up h…

Domino's Noid also had a tragic ending.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noid

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