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Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #126

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It still has higher trading volume than Bitcoin Cash apparently, which is freaking hilarious.

Nowhere near it. Doge has a "market cap" of about $630m, with volume last 24h of $62m. Bitcoin Cash is at $25 billion, with 24h trading volume of about $1.2 billion.

To be fair, it's neck and neck with # of transactions per day.

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post #56

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Interestingly, American Psycho isn't on that list. Nor should it be. It's easy to come up with a few theories as to what sets it apart, but I would love to see a proper analysis of how it tackles the subject matter without glorifying the lifestyle unnecessarily--and what other films should learn from it if they aim to accomplish the same

The word "Psycho" has such a blatantly negative connotation, that it's pretty clear that he is not supposed to be a hero. Also all the murdering.

Except "edgy" people view some bastardization of nihilism as a cool thing to aspire to. To this end they view Patrick as an ideal character. Powerful (at least more so than Steven nobody), and the psychopath concept intrigues them because it separates a person from their emotions, which for many people seem like an improvement, as not feeling would hurt less.

These films of destructive and unhealthy people are usually aspired to because even when the characters hit their rock bottom, they still have more money, power, control, and agency than the average viewer.

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post #104

>”I’m never going to work for someone,” Oyefeso says in one of his videos, in a somewhat cartoonish, nasal voice, while he drives his Rolls dressed in a bathrobe.” What’s with this obsession of not working for someone else? American/British managers in particular are some of the most democratic and “least power distance” bosses out there, especially compared to other countries where there is still a very hierarchical…

That all depends on what you do. If you have a specific skillset, and your talents and work ethic are obvious to your managers, you can end being mostly self-managed at your job. However, if you have no skills and work a job where your raw output is all that matters, managers will breathe down your neck trying to get the most output out of you as possible. These get-rich-quick schemes prey on those unskilled workers.…

There absolutely IS a magical way to get rich quick.

Be born rich. Or otherwise get lucky.

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post #4

One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

I remember in Marketing class they taught us about "Herb the Nerd".

In the 1980's Burger King was expanding and as part of this came a big advertising campaign centered around a nerdy-looking guy called Herb, who was the only person who hadn't been to a Burger King. If you could spot him in a Burger King restaurant, you could win money. It was a colossal failure, and instead of increasing customer volume, ended up having the opposite effect and decreasing it.

Why? Because the overt message of

"Herb the Nerd" "The only person who hasn't gone to Burger King"

was shortened in people's minds to

"... Nerd" "... Burger King".

It's fascinating: indirect/subtext messaging will beat direct messaging every time.

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The guy is a small fry. If we're going to point fingers at someone, can we start all the way at the top with someone like Tai Lopez?

The difference is that Tai Lopez is just selling knowledge, no different than an audiobook or a college program. The guy in this article is actively participating in a pyramid scheme.

Did you know the "knowledge" thing is a meme? Google Tai Lopez Knowledge

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #4

One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

I don't think that these films critique anything, they just tell a story and it's up to the people's judgement to critique the events and characters in the story.

I wouldn't say that people who idolize these characters have poor judgement or bad morale though. I mean, we shoot people or do illegal street racing in virtual environments for fun all the time, maybe it's just a human nature to entertain the idea of what we could have done if sociatal norms or laws wouldn't stop us.

Idealization of a persona usually doesn't mean wanting to become exactly that person but to have some quality of that person.

Maybe those people who actually do something are simply racionalizing their actions through these fictional characters?

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post #110

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It's because people don't know themselves. They are busy emulating all the of the ideas and imagery floating all around them without ever bothering to listen to who they truly are inside. Some people are leaders. They push up against the halls of power, and if others hold them back, they will find a way to break free. These are the people who proclaim they will never work for someone else. Some people are care takers…

It's not like being a leader is a cushy job or anything. People like to think that not having a boss = "I don't answer to anyone". If you are a leader, you answer to the people who follow you. Some people choose not to be leaders, not because they are bad at it, but because they don't want that kind of responsibility.

Great point, I don't think people think about this enough. When you are your own boss, start your own company, freelance, etc you have tons of bosses they just have another title. You have clients, shareholders, someone to be accountable to. Getting clients is not always easy. Sure you might be able to pick what clients you take on but if you only want the best you could have some pretty rough months. Even if you built a product, a simple saas type of deal and want that passive-ish income you need to make the users happy.

I have an an employer, but I could go do this work for many other companies and freelance/run my own show and potentially make a lot more. I would then have to hire a number of other people to do quite a few of the things that I don't do or do it myself and literally have 0 time plus figure out benefits and may not have consistent pay (at least not guaranteed). This is all assuming it also worked out! I'm enjoying using my skills and getting a fair agreed amount without having to deal with anything else really. Trade offs. No such thing as a free lunch.

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post #79

I am always amazed by how many people get into this "Beat the system and make tons of money" mindset. If there's anything that has proven itself time and time again, it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy. The people who become devoted to a field or a technology - who make the business th…

Your comment is hosted on ycombinator.com, an enterprise founded with the specific goal: "Beat the system and make tons of money". The only distinction is the "immediate" part.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #4

One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

It's because film is a visual medium, and in these movies the protagonist always looks cool . He may be doing terrible things, but he's wearing hip clothes and driving a gorgeous car while he does them. The visual language is all screaming "this guy's great!", and it ends up overwhelming the message the story is trying to tell. If you want to know what most people will think of a character in a movie, watch the movie…

I also think having that a big part of it is that at least the characters had a high point, even if they paid the price.

Like Jordan Belfort eventually loses his wife and access to his kid in The Wolf of Wall Street. But that can happen to any Joe on the street anyway, and he didn't get to have drug fueled orgies like Jordan did. Walter White descends into chaos and death in the pursuit of using his singular skills. But before he dies he leaves an enormous amount of money to secure his family's security forever and he get to experience a moment of pure fulfillment, working for himself, achieving at the outermost limits of his abilities. Joe Sixpack can get cancer and leave his family a pile of debt after spending his life working middle management at a life insurance firm, achieving no self-actualization and leaving his family in financial destitution.

These programs think that they are portraying some sort of cautionary tale by saying "Look this person got to have everything, but then they lost it all due to the method with which they acquired it", without realizing that the common man on the street could do everything by the book and above board and still find themselves losing everything and in the same spot as the characters in these shows, and they didn't even get to have fun along the way!

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #48

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This always perplexed me. With Mad Men and Breaking Bad too, people idolized the main characters, which is interesting not only because they are bad people but because they are deeply unhappy, too. There's something extremely surface-level about people's takeaways from film characters. They want a certain level of panache that the characters can muster, but they ignore that even the characters themselves are miserabl…

That might have also to do with how movies are made usually. If you really think about it, most detectives in detective stories abuse power and do things that cops really really should not. But, we are supposed to suspend reality and root for them. Same with action movies - main character does a lot of damage to everyone around, steal cars, hurt innocent people and we are supposed to ignore that. Happy end involves m…

To your point its possible to make movies differently, there is a game called spec ops that is very subversive of the military shooter genre. Where other games want you to feel cool shooting and killing people spec ops constantly wants you to feel bad about your actions, at one point asking "do you feel like a hero yet? "

Very good game.

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