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Tesla Plunges After a Conference Call

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Re: Tesla Plunges After a Conference Call

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I think what he did is awesome. Who cares what wall street thinks? They're mostly a bunch of leeches passing around paper and overreacting to news articles. Tesla will be fine.

Wall Street's money pays Tesla's bills.

Your pension fund, rather...

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The important part of Musk's plan has already succeeded. He made electric cars cool and competitive. If Tesla folds tomorrow, there will still be a large market for electric cars, and multiple other companies serving that. Depending on your needs, that has arguably already happened. While Tesla is still the "coolest" brand of car, there are better/cheaper electric cars from many non-Tesla companies already widely ava…

> While Tesla is still the "coolest" brand of car, there are better/cheaper electric cars from many non-Tesla companies already widely available today. No, there are a very small handful of cheaper electric cars that may be subjectively better for some uses but worse for many others. Bolt, i3, Leaf - that's about it for mass-produced cars being bought in any volume, and the manufactureres are taking a bath on them. G…

there is also Prius Prime, Clarity, Volt, Fusion, Ioniq, Outlander and more

https://insideevs.com/april-2018-plug-in-electric-vehicle-sa...

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I always have an issue about the statistical viewpoint about safety. Musk finds it outrageous that AP like products are nailed by the press but I find it quite normal. It's a new thing, and it's related to injury, it will be pinned. I wouldn't expect any otherwise. Musk should just swallow the pill and just work around that. Press won't write about your car that doesn't kill people. That's absurd.

Unless that’s your brand - see Volvo.

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What a weird call. Especially the callout of the diamler CEO. Elon says that the diamler CEO does not understand physics "He doesn't know much about physics. I know him. I'd be happy to engage in a physics discussion with him. I actually studied physics in college." Wiki says otherwise: "... studied electrical engineering from 1971 to 1976 at the University of Karlsruhe; he graduated as an engineer. He completed his…

Engineering students are usually required to study physics.

I think he’s talking about the other CEO. Musk is 46, meaning he couldn’t have graduated in 76.

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I think what he did is awesome. Who cares what wall street thinks? They're mostly a bunch of leeches passing around paper and overreacting to news articles. Tesla will be fine.

The west coast bias in Hacker News is always shocking. The capital markets exist for a reason, and the people he's mocking on this conference call are the ones that he's going to need to be begging for billions if things don't deliver in Q3 or Q4.

Whenever I see a ridiculous reaction on HN (like on the Signal/AWS article a few days ago), I just wait and watch how the same folks bend over backwards to defend Musk.

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What a weird call. Especially the callout of the diamler CEO. Elon says that the diamler CEO does not understand physics "He doesn't know much about physics. I know him. I'd be happy to engage in a physics discussion with him. I actually studied physics in college." Wiki says otherwise: "... studied electrical engineering from 1971 to 1976 at the University of Karlsruhe; he graduated as an engineer. He completed his…

You don't have to get a degree to study something.

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Musk sounded exhausted. If Smith & Wesson launched a consumer flamethrower there would be outrage...Musk has been able to distract with lots of shiny objects but the clock is ticking, even amongst his niche fan base...I hope all the people who are working so hard in Musk's various companies come out of this ok...

For the sake of society, I hope Musk succeeds. We've spent too much time as a culture celebrating fairly useless achievements and being unwilling to dare to do the things that will truly take us forward.

Musk is literally struggling to build a car factory, and people spin it as some staggering titanic glorious heroic monumental heartbreaking-genius-level thing. I don't really get it. There are electric vehicles on the market right now from major companies which have figured out how to do this. What sort of ten-million-times-more-impressive-than-Newton-and-Copernicus-and-Galileo-combined leap were you expecting Tesla to make here?

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I disagree - I thought the questions were good. I wish both sides were able to answer questions, as Elon had promised in the beginning of the call! (He said something along the lines of, we want extra time for Q&A, will keep the call running until there are no more questions) Having a retail investor at the table is a great thing for Tesla shareholders, IMO because so much of the public is interested in the company.…

These are interesting questions, but for the most part, don't require concrete answers in the same way that "Do you have enough money?" do. Musk has plenty of places to talk about his bold ambitions and predictions. But the earnings call is one of the few regularly scheduled occasions when he and other executives can be demanded answers about current realities.

I'm not familiar with these types of calls, but might it be possible he's trying to avoid getting into the nasty bits in front of all of the investors collectively in the hopes of swinging back around and dealing with them individually?

I've found that strategy to be pretty effectively employed by "perception management" types elsewhere. You know, guys with "reality distortion fields?" When you have a large group of people you're trying to maintain context for, you can end up getting into circumstances where you can get caught at giving contradictory statements more easily. Once the group catches that, they tend to dig and twist, and have further ammo for doing what you, the presenter, DON'T want.

Isolating said group members allows you the luxury of being able to devote your full attention to spinning the perception you're managing to only show what you want them to see without getting caught with your pants down by someone else you spun a yarn for previously.

I could be wrong of course, but I've seen it before.

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A little more context from the WSJ article ( https://www.wsj.com/articles/teslas-elon-musk-turns-conferen... ) >“We’re going to go to YouTube, sorry. These questions are so dry. They’re killing me.” He directed the operator to take questions from Tesla investor Galileo Russell, whose HyperChange TV YouTube channel features a video titled, “Why I Bought Tesla Today at $255/Share.” >Mr. Russell, who had campaigned to g…

In the grand scheme of things figuring out how to make model3's faster than they can sell them is a boring problem for Musk and I could imagine how frustrating it must be to have all the banks freaking out as if they're going to miss a fleeting opportunity to sell a bunch of cars. It's like when Nikola Tesla was trying to build worldwide wireless telegraphy but J.P. Morgan just wanted him to make fluorescent lights.…

For all that Musk is credited with versus what he actually invented he is not Tesla, he's Edison with worse business sense.
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