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Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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Pizzacoin - tie the unit price to a 12" stuffed crust from dominos. Minor units are "Slices". I mean dogecoin was a thing.

I mean dogecoin is a thing.

It still has higher trading volume than Bitcoin Cash apparently, which is freaking hilarious.

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I am always amazed by how many people get into this "Beat the system and make tons of money" mindset. If there's anything that has proven itself time and time again, it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy. The people who become devoted to a field or a technology - who make the business th…

One of the most age old ways to get rich is just like you said: write a book titled "I'm really rich! I will teach you my secret!" People eat that shit up!

It's so meta. I still remember the "Hey I quit my job and got rich as a blogger who tells you how to quit your job and get rich as a blogger" craze of 2010.

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Fight Club gets a lot of retroactive flak now that people know how they were "supposed" to read it. The book was a dramatization of the way young men feel about life. If the author and book had any valid insight, then of course young men would identify with the "bad" lifestyle in the movie, and not suddenly turn into old men while watching the movie. The movie is entirely showing the fantasy from the "vapid" perspect…

Wasn't the message of Fight Club ostensibly anti-capitalist and anti-consumerist, the exact opposite of the lifestyle of #richkidsofinstagram ?

Fight Club had a lot of messages. I could name a couple more:

* A generation of men raised with absent father figures is leading to listless depression.

* Every person has an idealized version of themselves in their head where they are powerful and purposeful.

* Modern middle class culture has no real danger in it, and we have lost our connection to the world of physical violence and dominance.

* Living for the acquisition of more IKEA furniture is a poor life decision.

And so on and so forth. Like most decently thoughtful and provocative film and writing it throws a lot of things at you and makes you think and reconsider your values a little. It has a lot of messages, some contradictory, some confusing or banal, and some intriguing.

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One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

Interestingly, American Psycho isn't on that list. Nor should it be. It's easy to come up with a few theories as to what sets it apart, but I would love to see a proper analysis of how it tackles the subject matter without glorifying the lifestyle unnecessarily--and what other films should learn from it if they aim to accomplish the same

You're super hopeful if you think people don't idolize Patrick Bateman, but they do. People don't see the story, they see a young, good-looking Christian Bale with a powerful suit on walking the streets of NYC with headphones on. People want that image, and the message is lost or separated entirely.

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I am always amazed by how many people get into this "Beat the system and make tons of money" mindset. If there's anything that has proven itself time and time again, it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy. The people who become devoted to a field or a technology - who make the business th…

> ... it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy.

There is an old saying: Making a million dollars and spending a million dollars are the exact opposite thing.

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It's because film is a visual medium, and in these movies the protagonist always looks cool . He may be doing terrible things, but he's wearing hip clothes and driving a gorgeous car while he does them. The visual language is all screaming "this guy's great!", and it ends up overwhelming the message the story is trying to tell. If you want to know what most people will think of a character in a movie, watch the movie…

I don't know if it's a matter of the protagonist looking cool. When Breaking Bad was on the air, I had a surprising number of friends who identified with Walter White. He did not look cool, he did not act cool, and the writers of the show did everything in their power to communicate "This man is a moral monster and a horror of a human being." Yet some people that I otherwise respected still identified with him. They…

In the case of Walter White, I think it's a slightly different phenomenon: the wish-fulfillment fantasy of the tortured genius who is allowed to be a snarky misanthrope because he's so brilliant. There have been a whole bunch of (usually male) protagonists like this, especially recently: Walter White, Don Draper, Dr. House, Rick Sanchez... I'm sure you can fill in plenty more examples.

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I mean, that's only because you/we romanticise our industry. What a bizarre false dichotomy. Literal prostitution, retail job, or software development. There are plenty of others out there that are needed that people work in. Become an apprentice, learn a trade, and start business. Work in retail, become a manager, own a location, climb the ranks. Get a finance degree, work at a firm, create a consultancy.

That all sounds hard.

Yeah, whodathunkit? Being successful involves effort

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I am always amazed by how many people get into this "Beat the system and make tons of money" mindset. If there's anything that has proven itself time and time again, it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy. The people who become devoted to a field or a technology - who make the business th…

Carnegie and Buffett occur to me as counter-examples that you need to devote yourself to a specific field or technology.

You know speaking of Warren Buffett, he came to mind while I was reading the article, as someone who pretty much behaves the exact opposite of this. No ostentatious display by the 3rd-richest person in the world... hmm that's interesting. You'd think it would give pause to the many suckers out there, but apparently they all still think things in the world are exactly how they look. That's why it's not fair to target young people - they haven't learned yet.

Challenging myself to find a photo of Warren posing ostentatiously with a car, I found this which cracked me up:

http://2il.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/warren-buffett-dri...

He's picking up a BIG MAC for chrissakes. His car is very ordinary-looking and not showy. It's a Caddy though mind you... he's not an animal.

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Guy they chose seems like a bad example. - 30k on insta (since 2014): instagram.com/elijah_oezz - 3k on YouTube youtube.com/channel/UCk4fZzhD8fStRHITL4sP_LA - 0 comments on any of his pics Forex trading is certainly big on SM but this guy does not convert a single visitor.

He has comments disabled on instagram.

Probably because comments usually make it obvious if someone is using an automated bot to grow their Instagram account, which he definitely is.

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One of the most age old ways to get rich is just like you said: write a book titled "I'm really rich! I will teach you my secret!" People eat that shit up!

It's so meta. I still remember the "Hey I quit my job and got rich as a blogger who tells you how to quit your job and get rich as a blogger" craze of 2010.

Kind of like rap, too. It's bizarre (and kind of awesome) how many rap and hip-hop lyrics are about being the best at rap and hip-hop.
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