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Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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Guy they chose seems like a bad example. - 30k on insta (since 2014): instagram.com/elijah_oezz - 3k on YouTube youtube.com/channel/UCk4fZzhD8fStRHITL4sP_LA - 0 comments on any of his pics Forex trading is certainly big on SM but this guy does not convert a single visitor.

He has comments disabled on instagram.

Of course he does, doesn't want the people he's burned to comment.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This always perplexed me. With Mad Men and Breaking Bad too, people idolized the main characters, which is interesting not only because they are bad people but because they are deeply unhappy, too. There's something extremely surface-level about people's takeaways from film characters. They want a certain level of panache that the characters can muster, but they ignore that even the characters themselves are miserabl…

There's a fascinating TLP article on this very topic[0]. Here's the most relevant bit: * The reason TV sociopaths are admired is that they are on TV. They have a story. Do you really admire Tony Soprano? Which part? His loveless marriage to a crazy person? A mistress who is even crazier? His gigantic belly and panic attacks? The fact that no one actually likes him? That his daughter was dating a black guy? ("I wouldn…

Nice, relevant excerpt.

A while back I got very interested in Lucian Freud, moreso for the relationships he had with his portrait subjects rather than the portraits themselves. Long story short many of these relationships became romantic (many even led to children), but across both the romantic and non-romantic ones the subjects seemed to find Freud's keen (even selfish) interest in portraying them seductive. He could be demanding, cruel, temperamental, etc. but he was fundamentally a talented painter who was very simple to understand: he wanted to paint you, he was very interested in you, and didn't much care about how this affected you. For the reasons you outline, at least a broad subset of people find this kind of singular character (literally) attractive.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> young people prostitute them selves to get photo shoots at exotic locations or for luxurary stuff for likes So what's the alternative, working 9-5 in retail for minimum wage and after 10 years you are still nowhere? Unless you are in a highly demanded domain like software, there are few opportunities for young people.

I mean, that's only because you/we romanticise our industry. What a bizarre false dichotomy. Literal prostitution, retail job, or software development. There are plenty of others out there that are needed that people work in. Become an apprentice, learn a trade, and start business. Work in retail, become a manager, own a location, climb the ranks. Get a finance degree, work at a firm, create a consultancy.

That all sounds hard.

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post #4

One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

These films are meant to depict a certain type of person, one who is drawn to the appeal of wealth and particularly the excess and display present in certain communities. I can imagine how someone who had this type of predisposition would feel inspired if they were exposed to that lifestyle by one of these movies and develop an aspiration for the specific position where previously it was a more amorphous longing for…

This is the only comment in the whole thread that comes anywhere near the way I think about this subject. Everyone is presuming that people have their value systems formed by watching movies. I think that's as false as it is dismal. The way we form our value systems is highly complex. We get a lot from parents and real life role models, our own thinking about things, real life events, the systems we're part of, chance circumstances, and much more. A film or book may very well hint at the writers' value systems, but that is not simply transfered to the viewer. The viewer brought their own value system in with them, and at most had it very slightly modified, or more probably enhanced by whatever they identified with in the story, regardless of the presumed moral.

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>”I’m never going to work for someone,” Oyefeso says in one of his videos, in a somewhat cartoonish, nasal voice, while he drives his Rolls dressed in a bathrobe.” What’s with this obsession of not working for someone else? American/British managers in particular are some of the most democratic and “least power distance” bosses out there, especially compared to other countries where there is still a very hierarchical…

Honestly, I don't want to work for someone else, and I've ended up as a consultant/contractor who provides a service on the basis of a completely equal footing with the client. I find it far preferable to being a standard employee, I get more control and usually more respect. Plus, everyone knows it's just a gig, not your life.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #33

Nothing new! Same as the Crypto bubble / hype. Seen many people ploughing money because they wanna get rich quick. All because bitcoin or *coin is going up & 'blockchain'.

Some of the folks in the article are setting themselves up as "Cryptocurrency Gurus" now too.

sigh.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #4

One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

Interestingly, American Psycho isn't on that list. Nor should it be. It's easy to come up with a few theories as to what sets it apart, but I would love to see a proper analysis of how it tackles the subject matter without glorifying the lifestyle unnecessarily--and what other films should learn from it if they aim to accomplish the same

The Bateman character in the film was directed and shot by Mary Harron. See her other work to get an idea of what made him different.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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I am always amazed by how many people get into this "Beat the system and make tons of money" mindset.

If there's anything that has proven itself time and time again, it's that people who seek immediate wealth, and who fantasize about their "million dollar idea", are absolutely not the kinds of people who become successful and wealthy.

The people who become devoted to a field or a technology - who make the business their passion, and focus on filling a need - these are the people who earn a fortune.

You can't just make money by trying really hard to be rich, unless, of course, your business model is funneling cash off of suckers with a predatory get-rich-quick scheme.

Re: Fake it till you make it: the wolves of Instagram

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post #56
post #4

One thing I've been struck by with movies and films like the Wolf of Wall Street, the film Wall Street, Fight Club, or even the Great Gatsby is how many people end up coming away with the exact opposite message of the movie. They end up idolizing the vapid, shallow lifestyle that the movie is critiquing, because even though the film is critiquing that it can't help but also make it glamorous. Michael Douglas has said…

Interestingly, American Psycho isn't on that list. Nor should it be. It's easy to come up with a few theories as to what sets it apart, but I would love to see a proper analysis of how it tackles the subject matter without glorifying the lifestyle unnecessarily--and what other films should learn from it if they aim to accomplish the same

The word "Psycho" has such a blatantly negative connotation, that it's pretty clear that he is not supposed to be a hero.

Also all the murdering.

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