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Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

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Re: Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

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> cases of GBM in England have increased from around 1,250 a year in 1995 to just under 3,000.

Not only the population of UK has increased in this time, it has also gotten older on average. Moreover is 0.002% of population getting GBM per year even significant enough to blame mobile phones (that is used by everyone)?

Re: Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

#22
"According to Cancer Research UK, it is “unlikely” that mobile phones increase the risk of brain tumours however “we do not know enough to completely rule out a risk”.

However, the organisation cautions that because phones are a relatively recent invention it may take many more years until the data is sufficient to make more robust conclusions."

This is literally pure speculation. There are many things that should be studied further to see if something more than a correlation exists. However those studies haven't been done yet. I am surprised to see such a poor and clearly clickbait on hackernews.

Re: Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

#23

Source: https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jeph/aip/7910754/ The provisional pdf is full of Tracked Changes. To clarify, GBM is the only kind of cancer that increased in frequency in the data they have. I'm less inclined to think that these "findings" are accurate and more to think it's a matter of accounting and data quality. (Not to mention the quality of the manuscript itself.)

>To clarify, GBM is the only kind of cancer that increased in frequency in the data they have.

Only glioblstoma multiforme, aka the most aggressive and deadly brain cancer? Phfew, what a relief.

Re: Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

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I would like to say just a couple of things thast I'm sure everybody is already aware of: - Correlation does not imply causality. - No link to any study is given. So we cannot be sure about what the metodology is, I would very much like to take a look at the metodology used to imply such correlation.

> Correlation does not imply causality

XKCD 925: Cell Phones

https://xkcd.com/925/

Re: Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

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post #16

"They analysed 79,241 malignant brain tumours over 21 years, finding that cases of GBM in England have increased from around 1,250 a year in 1995 to just under 3,000." ~2000 new cases per year in a country with 53 million people? I'll take my chances. I'm fascinated how people obsess over the unproven and ultimately minuscule health risks associated with using a cell phone or drinking a glass of wine or eating chocol…

Maybe it's a bit different; those who developed/didn't lose protective measures in their DNA won't be affected and those that are out of luck will be excised from the gene pool. So statistically cell phones won't cause tumors, because only adaptable would survive. And for cancer it usually is a large mix of factors that starts them, so it's difficult to filter out noise and figure out compound factors from simple health stats.

BTW, exercise kills as well. There are also known cases of heavy smokers/drinkers that made it to 100.

Re: Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

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post #27
post #16

"They analysed 79,241 malignant brain tumours over 21 years, finding that cases of GBM in England have increased from around 1,250 a year in 1995 to just under 3,000." ~2000 new cases per year in a country with 53 million people? I'll take my chances. I'm fascinated how people obsess over the unproven and ultimately minuscule health risks associated with using a cell phone or drinking a glass of wine or eating chocol…

Maybe it's a bit different; those who developed/didn't lose protective measures in their DNA won't be affected and those that are out of luck will be excised from the gene pool. So statistically cell phones won't cause tumors, because only adaptable would survive. And for cancer it usually is a large mix of factors that starts them, so it's difficult to filter out noise and figure out compound factors from simple hea…

> BTW, exercise kills as well. There are also known cases of heavy smokers/drinkers that made it to 100.

Outliers, not in any way related to the general trend and a bad argument in general.

Re: Mobile phone cancer warning as malignant brain tumours double

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post #16

"They analysed 79,241 malignant brain tumours over 21 years, finding that cases of GBM in England have increased from around 1,250 a year in 1995 to just under 3,000." ~2000 new cases per year in a country with 53 million people? I'll take my chances. I'm fascinated how people obsess over the unproven and ultimately minuscule health risks associated with using a cell phone or drinking a glass of wine or eating chocol…

Also, in a country that grew by approximately 10 Million people in the same span.
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