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The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by ekianjo »

ProblemFactory wrote: post #33
ekianjo wrote: post #4

I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. besides, the definition of who is actually unemployed varies greatly throughout Europe since governments have been hacking such statuses to make figures look better than they are.

> I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. This visualization is using European NUTS-2 regions, which have roughly equal population. Each region is between 800k and 3 million people. While perfect scaling is not practically possible, it is much better than geographical regions.

Perfect scaling is easy: just represent dots on the maps instead of regions, which is way closer to actual raw data. Of course it requires more work, but that's what people are paid for when they collect data.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #67
k__ wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more of an UBI guy. The whole minimum-wage stuff didn't seem like a good idea to me. But since its conception I only read good things about it.

To me minimum wage is great - but why (in UK) does a 24 year old need less than a 25 year old, or indeed deserve less? Why do "apprentices" deserve less than is considered the minimum living wage. Even minimum wage has been corrupted. UBI, or something equally revolutionary, I think will be needed without a major population collapse.

That's probably based on average years of experience and average / assumed value to the company? I don't know.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by ekianjo »

ProblemFactory wrote: post #42
microtonal wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter. Consider of a hypothetical country consisting of two equally large regions. One region is desert, only 10,000 people live there and unemployment rate is 20%. In the other region there are 1M people and the employment rate is 3%. Now if you look at the map, it seems that the country is doing pretty poorly. Half of the country has a bad employment rate. Whereas in reality it only affect a small portion…

> One region is desert, only 10,000 people live there > In the other region there are 1M people This has already been normalized: these are European NUTS-2 regions, which are drawn to contain roughly equal populations. Each NUTS-2 region is supposed to be 800k to 3 million people per region. It's not perfect, but it's not just geographical borders with wildly different populations. For example, London is split into 5…

> which are drawn to contain roughly equal populations

No, the visualization is completely wrong to begin with, because areas with practically population zero like in the northern parts of Scandinavian countries are still comprised of the same regions as their southern neighbors, which makes absolutely no sense and increases their importance area-and-color-wise on the map.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by ajuc »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #69
gpvos wrote: post #65

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I thought that in most countries, if you are on the dole, you must search for work if you are capable, or you get a severe reduction in your financial support.

There are some people that have just given up on finding a job; they're able and willing to work, but because of reasons they can't find a job. Those might be on the dole, but they might also be able to survive off of a single income. These stats should have a category "wants to work but can't find any, and is not entitled to benefits". Or "Able to work but doesn't need to because rich".

In my country if you are on a dole and the bureau of employment finds a job for you (usually not very nice job) - you have to take it or have a good reason why you can't (health for example). If you don't - you're left on your own.

Also, unemployment benefits end after 6 months no matter what.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

maephisto wrote: post #40
jankotek wrote: post #15

Big part of Europe is missing (Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Kavkaz...). But for some reason it includes asian part of Turkey, islands, part of south america... ;-)

The South America / islands and included because they are territories belonging to a EU country (France, Spain, Portugal). Turkey is in there because it's a candidate country.

Is it still? It's a human rights nightmare and I don't think the EU should have anything to do with Turkey while Erdogan is still in power.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by plug »

tda wrote: post #39
fabianmg wrote: post #30

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Education?. Really?. "Regarding Europe’s other large countries, the proportions were 47.1% for Britain, 31.9% in Germany (which retains a strong tradition of technical education), 43.6% in France, 40.1% in Spain and 39.1% in Poland." http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=2013041...

From that article Ireland is the most highly educated country in Europe, I never would have guessed that.

Thinking about it I'm not that surprised - the population is very small, and most people can/do avail of free third-level education.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by vertex-four »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #63
DanBC wrote: post #44

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JSA is being replaced by universal credit. People on UC need to spend 35 hours per week on their job search, and they need to be able to demonstrate this. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-... > You should think of jobseeking as a full-time job. You will be expected to look or prepare for work for 35 hours a week, depending on your circumstances. This requirement is robustly enforced. I ment…

Dishonest unemployed people can get away with doing virtually nothing (or doing undisclosed work), most of the time, no?

In my experience, it is much more common that the job centre will refuse to believe those who are seeking work but can’t find it, than that people attempt to defraud the job centre.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by hmschreck »

tom_mellior wrote: post #46
draugadrotten wrote: post #20

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The definition of "unemployment" is important here. it An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as: > someone aged 15 to 74 (in Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway: 16 to 74 years); > without work during the reference week; > available to start work within the next two weeks (or has already found a job to start within the next thr…

> currently not earning their keep, but not actively searching a job (because they are on the dole) will not be unemployed Why? If you are on the dole but without any disability or other commitment, you are considered "available to start work", no? Being available is one of the typical conditions for getting unemployment benefits. > unable to take a job in the next two weeks because the are in a government job market…

This is how the BLS U3 statistic is arrived at. The U3 is the federal-level unemployment figure that is most commonly pointed to.

The U3 specifically does not include discouraged workers, those who are underemployed, or those who simply aren't looking.

As long as we are comparing apples to apples (i.e., these figures are all indicative of the same basic data with the same restrictions), there's no issue comparing them.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by jdietrich »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #67
k__ wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more of an UBI guy. The whole minimum-wage stuff didn't seem like a good idea to me. But since its conception I only read good things about it.

To me minimum wage is great - but why (in UK) does a 24 year old need less than a 25 year old, or indeed deserve less? Why do "apprentices" deserve less than is considered the minimum living wage. Even minimum wage has been corrupted. UBI, or something equally revolutionary, I think will be needed without a major population collapse.

One of the main risks of a minimum wage is suppressing the employment rate of less-skilled, less-experienced workers. If the minimum wage is too high, it's uneconomic to take on staff who don't deliver enough value for the business. The reduced rates for young people and apprentices exist to reduce this stifling effect - without them, you'd make it uneconomic for businesses to take a chance on new employees who might need a lot of training or support.

This does of course create a secondary risk of businesses laying off older staff in favour of young people and "apprentices", but I haven't seen any clear evidence that this is a widespread problem.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by pmjordan »

avar wrote: post #50
ProblemFactory wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. This visualization is using European NUTS-2 regions, which have roughly equal population. Each region is between 800k and 3 million people. While perfect scaling is not practically possible, it is much better than geographical regions.

No that's the average minimum / maximum. But there's exceptions, e.g. Iceland's at around 350k and has its own NUTS-2 region.

Another outlier: Burgenland, Austria (the state where I live) has a population of less than 300000 and is shown as a distinct region
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