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The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Big part of Europe is missing (Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Kavkaz...). But for some reason it includes asian part of Turkey, islands, part of south america... ;-)

The South America / islands and included because they are territories belonging to a EU country (France, Spain, Portugal). Turkey is in there because it's a candidate country.

GP most likely knows and is just passive-aggressively complaining about the conflation of 'Europe' and 'EU' in the title.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level It shows unemployment RATES, so population density does not matter.

That's not true, but the problem is likely a different than you anticipated; a large region with very few inhabitants is visually more present than a small region with many inhabitants. So the number of unemployed people can be much larger in the small region than in the big region, contrary to the visual effect that the big region has on the visualisation (even though the employment rate of both regions could be the…

But if you are interested in unemployment rates, and not in the number of unemployed people, it does not matter. For example, both Spain and Italy have higher population density in their North regions, but a map that was somewhat normalized with respect to population density would not be clearer to show the fact that unemployment rates are much higher in Sevilla than San Sebastian, or in Lecce than in Milan.

Of course, if you assume that you can derive the number of unemployed people using an average population density (ie. that the size of the regions is proportional to population), the map will not work. But in that case the problem would not be the map but a wrong assumption.

A map is not a histogram.

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No - to be on the dole you need to be actively searching for a job in most jurisdictions in Europe. E.g. in the UK you need to go down to the job center every week and prove you're searching for a job in order to claim unemployment benefit. It's literally called jobseeker's allowance to reflect that. Also what is a "government job market program"? Are you referring to a government employing people en masse to inflate…

JSA is being replaced by universal credit. People on UC need to spend 35 hours per week on their job search, and they need to be able to demonstrate this. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-... > You should think of jobseeking as a full-time job. You will be expected to look or prepare for work for 35 hours a week, depending on your circumstances. This requirement is robustly enforced. I ment…

Dishonest unemployed people can get away with doing virtually nothing (or doing undisclosed work), most of the time, no?

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

Curious how they are using colourisation in the opposite way. They have the low levels of unemployment as orange with the darker shades as the lowest and use blue for higher levels of unemployment, again the darker shades to indicate the highest employment. So the concerning area's show as blue and the ok area's show as panic inducing Orange instinctively. Most odd.

Yeah, this is really very strange indeed to me as well.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

The definition of "unemployment" is important here. it An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as: > someone aged 15 to 74 (in Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway: 16 to 74 years); > without work during the reference week; > available to start work within the next two weeks (or has already found a job to start within the next thr…

I thought that in most countries, if you are on the dole, you must search for work if you are capable, or you get a severe reduction in your financial support.

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Two days ago I was watching a German TV show in which the panelists discussed the low-wage-job boom: apparently unemployment is very low (5.6%) but an unhealthy portion of the jobs people are working are low-wage and/or exploitative of labor, and thus not really contributing to long-term social stability. If too many people are working minimum wage and the minimum wage isn't realistic then sooner or later you have a…

true, but things like wages and social standards are other statistics.

Additionaly to the mentioned "low-wage-job" boom you have to mention part-time employment. Which does count as employment but doesn't result in the usual 40h+/week.

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Two days ago I was watching a German TV show in which the panelists discussed the low-wage-job boom: apparently unemployment is very low (5.6%) but an unhealthy portion of the jobs people are working are low-wage and/or exploitative of labor, and thus not really contributing to long-term social stability. If too many people are working minimum wage and the minimum wage isn't realistic then sooner or later you have a…

I'm more of an UBI guy. The whole minimum-wage stuff didn't seem like a good idea to me. But since its conception I only read good things about it.

To me minimum wage is great - but why (in UK) does a 24 year old need less than a 25 year old, or indeed deserve less?

Why do "apprentices" deserve less than is considered the minimum living wage.

Even minimum wage has been corrupted.

UBI, or something equally revolutionary, I think will be needed without a major population collapse.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

JSA is being replaced by universal credit. People on UC need to spend 35 hours per week on their job search, and they need to be able to demonstrate this. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-... > You should think of jobseeking as a full-time job. You will be expected to look or prepare for work for 35 hours a week, depending on your circumstances. This requirement is robustly enforced. I ment…

Dishonest unemployed people can get away with doing virtually nothing (or doing undisclosed work), most of the time, no?

Citation needed. A small minority maybe. Dishonesty can be hard work.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The definition of "unemployment" is important here. it An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as: > someone aged 15 to 74 (in Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway: 16 to 74 years); > without work during the reference week; > available to start work within the next two weeks (or has already found a job to start within the next thr…

I thought that in most countries, if you are on the dole, you must search for work if you are capable, or you get a severe reduction in your financial support.

There are some people that have just given up on finding a job; they're able and willing to work, but because of reasons they can't find a job. Those might be on the dole, but they might also be able to survive off of a single income.

These stats should have a category "wants to work but can't find any, and is not entitled to benefits". Or "Able to work but doesn't need to because rich".

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

German perspective: Wow, what a dramatic shift in Eastern Germany! Maybe it is just a general upwards trend in Germany with little room for improvement in Southern Germany, but it might also be the beginning of the end of Eastern Germany's under performance. I will certainly investigate further.

I think it could do with an extra dimension for eastern Germany, e.g. wages or relative wealth; having low unemployment is good, but if there's a big wage / wealth discrepancy between east and west there's still room for improvement.
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