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The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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It does matter. Consider of a hypothetical country consisting of two equally large regions. One region is desert, only 10,000 people live there and unemployment rate is 20%. In the other region there are 1M people and the employment rate is 3%. Now if you look at the map, it seems that the country is doing pretty poorly. Half of the country has a bad employment rate. Whereas in reality it only affect a small portion…

Does that apply to the european regions listed here? How significant are the differences in population density that they make a tangible difference?

London has a larger population than the whole of northern Ireland (8,787,892 compared to 1,876,695)

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> it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level It shows unemployment RATES, so population density does not matter.

It does matter. Consider of a hypothetical country consisting of two equally large regions. One region is desert, only 10,000 people live there and unemployment rate is 20%. In the other region there are 1M people and the employment rate is 3%. Now if you look at the map, it seems that the country is doing pretty poorly. Half of the country has a bad employment rate. Whereas in reality it only affect a small portion…

> One region is desert, only 10,000 people live there

> In the other region there are 1M people

This has already been normalized: these are European NUTS-2 regions, which are drawn to contain roughly equal populations. Each NUTS-2 region is supposed to be 800k to 3 million people per region. It's not perfect, but it's not just geographical borders with wildly different populations.

For example, London is split into 5 regions, most big cities are their own region, and small countries are just one region. Going into even smaller regions would be nice (and are defined in the standards as well), but it seems that nobody has put in the effort to collect data at that granularity.

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Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

The definition of "unemployment" is important here. it An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as: > someone aged 15 to 74 (in Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway: 16 to 74 years); > without work during the reference week; > available to start work within the next two weeks (or has already found a job to start within the next thr…

That's the standard definition for unemployment. An unemployed person is generally considered to be someone who would want to be employed, but is not. It is meant to be a measurement of the number of people who want jobs, but are unable to get them.

There are other measurements for labour force participation, which are usually fairly easy to find, and are a proportion of people who are legally able to work, against the number of actual workers.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The definition of "unemployment" is important here. it An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as: > someone aged 15 to 74 (in Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway: 16 to 74 years); > without work during the reference week; > available to start work within the next two weeks (or has already found a job to start within the next thr…

No - to be on the dole you need to be actively searching for a job in most jurisdictions in Europe. E.g. in the UK you need to go down to the job center every week and prove you're searching for a job in order to claim unemployment benefit. It's literally called jobseeker's allowance to reflect that. Also what is a "government job market program"? Are you referring to a government employing people en masse to inflate…

JSA is being replaced by universal credit. People on UC need to spend 35 hours per week on their job search, and they need to be able to demonstrate this.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/universal-credit-...

> You should think of jobseeking as a full-time job. You will be expected to look or prepare for work for 35 hours a week, depending on your circumstances.

This requirement is robustly enforced.

I mention this because there are some people in the UK who think that unemployed people in the UK can get away with not doing anything.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does matter. Consider of a hypothetical country consisting of two equally large regions. One region is desert, only 10,000 people live there and unemployment rate is 20%. In the other region there are 1M people and the employment rate is 3%. Now if you look at the map, it seems that the country is doing pretty poorly. Half of the country has a bad employment rate. Whereas in reality it only affect a small portion…

Does that apply to the european regions listed here? How significant are the differences in population density that they make a tangible difference?

And to add to that the whole republic of Ireland has only 4,761,865 so certainly it seems hard to comprehend how many people are unemployed in the chart.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

The definition of "unemployment" is important here. it An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as: > someone aged 15 to 74 (in Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway: 16 to 74 years); > without work during the reference week; > available to start work within the next two weeks (or has already found a job to start within the next thr…

> currently not earning their keep, but not actively searching a job (because they are on the dole) will not be unemployed

Why? If you are on the dole but without any disability or other commitment, you are considered "available to start work", no? Being available is one of the typical conditions for getting unemployment benefits.

> unable to take a job in the next two weeks because the are in a government job market program, will not be listed as unemployed

That's true, and it's one of the reasons why it's not super meaningful to try to compare and interpret these figures without any additional information.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

German perspective: Wow, what a dramatic shift in Eastern Germany! Maybe it is just a general upwards trend in Germany with little room for improvement in Southern Germany, but it might also be the beginning of the end of Eastern Germany's under performance. I will certainly investigate further.

When I saw the chart I thought: "Well, Germany doesn't look too bad, funny that the people in Eastern Germany always complain."

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Curious how they are using colourisation in the opposite way. They have the low levels of unemployment as orange with the darker shades as the lowest and use blue for higher levels of unemployment, again the darker shades to indicate the highest employment. So the concerning area's show as blue and the ok area's show as panic inducing Orange instinctively. Most odd.

I think you’ve got that back to front!

Nope,I'm referring to the comment link: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar... The subject one linked has it the other, more logical way around.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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post #36

Two days ago I was watching a German TV show in which the panelists discussed the low-wage-job boom: apparently unemployment is very low (5.6%) but an unhealthy portion of the jobs people are working are low-wage and/or exploitative of labor, and thus not really contributing to long-term social stability. If too many people are working minimum wage and the minimum wage isn't realistic then sooner or later you have a…

While I agree it is still a much bette situation than in Italy or Spain. Germany is relatively cheaper than France and has better infrastructure. Having a low paying job gets your feet somewhere.

Not having any employability in Spain or Italy is going to be a tough problem.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. besides, the definition of who is actually unemployed varies greatly throughout Europe since governments have been hacking such statuses to make figures look better than they are.

> I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. This visualization is using European NUTS-2 regions, which have roughly equal population. Each region is between 800k and 3 million people. While perfect scaling is not practically possible, it is much better than geographical regions.

No that's the average minimum / maximum. But there's exceptions, e.g. Iceland's at around 350k and has its own NUTS-2 region.
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