The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe • Hacker News Board

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by Agebor » Thu, May 03, 2018, 11:56 AM UTC

yiyus wrote: post #9

ekianjo wrote: post #4

I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. besides, the definition of who is actually unemployed varies greatly throughout Europe since governments have been hacking such statuses to make figures look better than they are.

> it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level It shows unemployment RATES, so population density does not matter.

It does, as the regions with different population sizes should have different overall importance.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by crispyporkbites » Thu, May 03, 2018, 11:58 AM UTC

In case anyone is wondering what unemployed means in this context:

> An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as someone aged 15 to 74 without work during the reference week who is available to start work within the next two weeks and who has actively sought employment at some time during the last four weeks. The unemployment rate is the number of people unemployed as a percentage of the labour force.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by molf » Thu, May 03, 2018, 11:58 AM UTC

yiyus wrote: post #9

ekianjo wrote: post #4

I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. besides, the definition of who is actually unemployed varies greatly throughout Europe since governments have been hacking such statuses to make figures look better than they are.

> it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level It shows unemployment RATES, so population density does not matter.

That's not true, but the problem is likely a different than you anticipated; a large region with very few inhabitants is visually more present than a small region with many inhabitants.

So the number of unemployed people can be much larger in the small region than in the big region, contrary to the visual effect that the big region has on the visualisation (even though the employment rate of both regions could be the same).

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by anc84 » Thu, May 03, 2018, 11:58 AM UTC

Agebor wrote: post #11

yiyus wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level It shows unemployment RATES, so population density does not matter.

It does, as the regions with different population sizes should have different overall importance.

No, why should a person living in place A have a different expectance of employment than a person in place B?

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by jankotek » Thu, May 03, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

Big part of Europe is missing (Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Kavkaz...). But for some reason it includes asian part of Turkey, islands, part of south america... ;-)

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by Zenst » Thu, May 03, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

Luc wrote: post #2

Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

Curious how they are using colourisation in the opposite way. They have the low levels of unemployment as orange with the darker shades as the lowest and use blue for higher levels of unemployment, again the darker shades to indicate the highest employment.

So the concerning area's show as blue and the ok area's show as panic inducing Orange instinctively. Most odd.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by microtonal » Thu, May 03, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

yiyus wrote: post #9

ekianjo wrote: post #4

I really dislike this kind of visualization since it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level. besides, the definition of who is actually unemployed varies greatly throughout Europe since governments have been hacking such statuses to make figures look better than they are.

> it makes regions with total different population densities appear on the same level It shows unemployment RATES, so population density does not matter.

It does matter. Consider of a hypothetical country consisting of two equally large regions.

One region is desert, only 10,000 people live there and unemployment rate is 20%.

In the other region there are 1M people and the employment rate is 3%.

Now if you look at the map, it seems that the country is doing pretty poorly. Half of the country has a bad employment rate. Whereas in reality it only affect a small portion of the population.

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by crispyporkbites » Thu, May 03, 2018, 12:00 PM UTC

nkkollaw wrote: post #5

I'd like to add that actual figures for Italy are hard to estimate correctly. Many, many people work under the table, very often pretending that they're still out of work to keep getting the unemployment check.

Is that anecdotal or fact? How many is many, many people?

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by barrkel » Thu, May 03, 2018, 12:01 PM UTC

> where the unemployment rate is below 5.8%, a level generally considered to indicate a healthy labor market

5.8% is a the cut-off for a healthy labour market, apparently.

Meanwhile https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/london-s-unemployment... describes London's unemployment rate reaching 5.8% as a record low!

Re: The Unemployment Rate in Every Region of Europe

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Post by draugadrotten » Thu, May 03, 2018, 12:01 PM UTC

Luc wrote: post #2

Meh blog post. Here's the interactive chart at Eurostat: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/RCI/#?vis=nuts2.labourmar...

The definition of "unemployment" is important here. it

An unemployed person is defined by Eurostat, according to the guidelines of the International Labour Organization, as:

> someone aged 15 to 74 (in Italy, Spain, the United Kingdom, Iceland, Norway: 16 to 74 years); > without work during the reference week; > available to start work within the next two weeks (or has already found a job to start within the next three months); > actively having sought employment at some time during the last four weeks. > The unemployment rate is the number of people unemployed as a percentage of the labour force. http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/...

This means that any person which is currently not earning their keep, but not actively searching a job (because they are on the dole) will not be unemployed in these statistics. It also means that any person which is not earning their keep, but unable to take a job in the next two weeks because the are in a government job market program, will not be listed as unemployed in these statistics.

Lies, damn lies and statistics.