LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct

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Post by crashride » Wed, May 02, 2018, 9:44 PM UTC

LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct
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Re: LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct

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Post by craftyguy » Wed, May 02, 2018, 10:48 PM UTC

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16980841

Re: LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct

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Post by bluehazed » Wed, May 02, 2018, 10:51 PM UTC

So from what I gather, the developer is leaving the project because LLVM is involved with a project that offers paid internships to women/trans/genderqueer and racial minorities?

Classy.

Re: LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct

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Post by peterashford » Wed, May 02, 2018, 10:57 PM UTC

Seriously? LLVM supporting minorities means that you have to leave? I cannot fathom how trying to be inclusive should matter to anyone - it does not diminish you in any way to offer a hand up to others. I work in games. I have never been to GDC or PAX while I have seen many women get funding to go there on the basis of being a female in games. That isn't an attack on me personally - it's an attempt to work against historical inertia. And it's great. My industry needs to change and we are better for having a broader range of voices heard. If this guy thinks that helping others is such a burden, then really, I struggle to muster any sympathy for him.

Re: LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 02, 2018, 11:11 PM UTC

peterashford wrote: post #4

Seriously? LLVM supporting minorities means that you have to leave? I cannot fathom how trying to be inclusive should matter to anyone - it does not diminish you in any way to offer a hand up to others. I work in games. I have never been to GDC or PAX while I have seen many women get funding to go there on the basis of being a female in games. That isn't an attack on me personally - it's an attempt to work against hi…

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Re: LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct

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Post by asdsa5325 » Wed, May 02, 2018, 11:16 PM UTC

peterashford wrote: post #4

Seriously? LLVM supporting minorities means that you have to leave? I cannot fathom how trying to be inclusive should matter to anyone - it does not diminish you in any way to offer a hand up to others. I work in games. I have never been to GDC or PAX while I have seen many women get funding to go there on the basis of being a female in games. That isn't an attack on me personally - it's an attempt to work against hi…

The writer of the post is part of a minority group.

Note that encouraging minorities to contribute and excluding majorities from contribution is very different. As he said in the post, the latter is what he was concerned about.

Re: LLVM Developer Leaves Citing Code of Conduct

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Post by eropple » Thu, May 03, 2018, 4:33 AM UTC

asdsa5325 wrote: post #6

peterashford wrote: post #4

Seriously? LLVM supporting minorities means that you have to leave? I cannot fathom how trying to be inclusive should matter to anyone - it does not diminish you in any way to offer a hand up to others. I work in games. I have never been to GDC or PAX while I have seen many women get funding to go there on the basis of being a female in games. That isn't an attack on me personally - it's an attempt to work against hi…

The writer of the post is part of a minority group. Note that encouraging minorities to contribute and excluding majorities from contribution is very different. As he said in the post, the latter is what he was concerned about.

The latter is not actually happening.

Reality matters. His read is averse to it.