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Xobni - a waste of money

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Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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I tend to agree. It was worth having a go at buying the company, but now they've been rebuffed their next best option is simply to clone the interesting bits in house. It'll take them six months to produce a reasonable facsimile , but then they probably don't have another feature release planned for that amount of time anyway. Personally, I think the Xobni guys are fools for refusing the offer. If Microsoft are inter…

They turned down the offer? I totally missed that. Where'd you see that?

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #10
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dismissing comments because of spelling errors? Not sure where it would lie in PG's categories (ad hominen?), but anyway. I remember the other saying, that sometimes you can learn more from your enemies than from your friends, because they are more likely to tell you the truth. How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? Personally I don't need or use Xobni, so I can't comment. And anyway, I proba…

>> How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? You said it. Doing so is grounds for ruthless downmodding on here. PG said there are 30 editors now. People are getting accounts marked dead at the drop of a hat, if they don't drink the kool-aid.

Do you have evidence for that?

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #11
post #9

I tend to agree. It was worth having a go at buying the company, but now they've been rebuffed their next best option is simply to clone the interesting bits in house. It'll take them six months to produce a reasonable facsimile , but then they probably don't have another feature release planned for that amount of time anyway. Personally, I think the Xobni guys are fools for refusing the offer. If Microsoft are inter…

They turned down the offer? I totally missed that. Where'd you see that?

Here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/04/20/microsoft-signs-letter-...

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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Here's an example of how the context-freeness of the web can work against you. I've never seen this guy's blog before. The headline was just interesting enough to get above my click threshold. But when I got to the post, all I noticed was how badly written it is: perhaps it was quickly than trying to replicate some Microsoft underlying thinks that they will make the old boss happy If I knew the writer to be a frequen…

Dismissing comments because of spelling errors? Not sure where it would lie in PG's categories (ad hominen?), but anyway. I remember the other saying, that sometimes you can learn more from your enemies than from your friends, because they are more likely to tell you the truth. How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? Personally I don't need or use Xobni, so I can't comment. And anyway, I proba…

I doubt many people on here need or use Xobni, it is strictly an Outlook plugin?

I didn't even use Outlook way back in the day when I was employed by a Fortune 500 that forced everyone to use it. I remember once someone mentioning to my manager that I hadn't completed my Outlook training and everyone in our group had a good laugh.

We aren't quite the target audience generally speaking.

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #10
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dismissing comments because of spelling errors? Not sure where it would lie in PG's categories (ad hominen?), but anyway. I remember the other saying, that sometimes you can learn more from your enemies than from your friends, because they are more likely to tell you the truth. How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? Personally I don't need or use Xobni, so I can't comment. And anyway, I proba…

>> How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? You said it. Doing so is grounds for ruthless downmodding on here. PG said there are 30 editors now. People are getting accounts marked dead at the drop of a hat, if they don't drink the kool-aid.

People are getting accounts marked dead at the drop of a hat, if they don't drink the kool-aid.

That's false, as anyone can see by looking at the dead comments and submissions. There have always been people on here criticizing YC and YC-funded startups. And there have always been about 30 editors, for that matter.

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #10
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dismissing comments because of spelling errors? Not sure where it would lie in PG's categories (ad hominen?), but anyway. I remember the other saying, that sometimes you can learn more from your enemies than from your friends, because they are more likely to tell you the truth. How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? Personally I don't need or use Xobni, so I can't comment. And anyway, I proba…

>> How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? You said it. Doing so is grounds for ruthless downmodding on here. PG said there are 30 editors now. People are getting accounts marked dead at the drop of a hat, if they don't drink the kool-aid.

I would dare criticize YC startups (but not this one since I know absolutely nothing about it). If I got banned from here for doing so I would start a competitive site out of revenge...because that would be ridiculous.

Or have a lightsaber dual with pg, I would leave the choice to him. I warn you I would be wearing spandex during the latter though.

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #9

I tend to agree. It was worth having a go at buying the company, but now they've been rebuffed their next best option is simply to clone the interesting bits in house. It'll take them six months to produce a reasonable facsimile , but then they probably don't have another feature release planned for that amount of time anyway. Personally, I think the Xobni guys are fools for refusing the offer. If Microsoft are inter…

Yes they were foolish to turn down the offer, but competing against a culture as meeting-centric and slow as Microsoft's is less challenging than you might think, IMO.

(I can't believe they turned down the offer!)

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #8
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Here's an example of how the context-freeness of the web can work against you. I've never seen this guy's blog before. The headline was just interesting enough to get above my click threshold. But when I got to the post, all I noticed was how badly written it is: perhaps it was quickly than trying to replicate some Microsoft underlying thinks that they will make the old boss happy If I knew the writer to be a frequen…

Dismissing comments because of spelling errors? Not sure where it would lie in PG's categories (ad hominen?), but anyway. I remember the other saying, that sometimes you can learn more from your enemies than from your friends, because they are more likely to tell you the truth. How many people here on HN will dare to criticize a YC startup? Personally I don't need or use Xobni, so I can't comment. And anyway, I proba…

I think you may have misunderstood my emphasis (my fault). I'm not interested in the grammatical mistakes as such; I'm interested in what happens when I go to read a web page from a source I'm unfamiliar with. Because URLs are pointers, I jump directly to content in medias res with very little context. In the absence of context, other indicators fill the vacuum. In this case, the sloppiness of the writing affected my perception of the author - which may be unfair. I'd have to read more to know for sure. But that's my point: fair or unfair, I'm not inclined to. (The photo didn't help, either.)

It's interesting that you brought up not being a native speaker. That is a piece of context I instinctively scan for, because if I get it wrong my judgment will be off. In this case, the title ("a UK VC") and the fellow's name made me expect the Queen's English and, now that I think of it, probably raised the standard I unconsciously applied.

One can make errors about this. I knew an American who had mastered Russian to such an extent that Russians thought he was Russian. This backfired. Inevitably, he would put things in a way that a real Russian never would. Not realizing he was a brilliant student of their language, native speakers concluded that he was an illiterate Russian. That's something Russians care about a lot, so he got badly treated.

As for your comments, I don't ignore them; I'm familiar enough with your user name that I must have read many of them, though I don't remember anything specific. I bet that if I had been asked, I would have identified you as an intelligent non-native-English speaker, and if I noticed any spelling mistakes I doubt they mattered.

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #17
post #9

I tend to agree. It was worth having a go at buying the company, but now they've been rebuffed their next best option is simply to clone the interesting bits in house. It'll take them six months to produce a reasonable facsimile , but then they probably don't have another feature release planned for that amount of time anyway. Personally, I think the Xobni guys are fools for refusing the offer. If Microsoft are inter…

Yes they were foolish to turn down the offer, but competing against a culture as meeting-centric and slow as Microsoft's is less challenging than you might think, IMO. (I can't believe they turned down the offer!)

There are a lot of factors to weight when considering a sale. It's not as simple as weighing the (rumored and potentially inaccurate) purchase price.

You can't say it was foolish unless you know everything--payment schedule (cash/stock/milestones), ambition of founders, post-acquisition employment requirements, future direction of the product.

Re: Xobni - a waste of money

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post #9

I tend to agree. It was worth having a go at buying the company, but now they've been rebuffed their next best option is simply to clone the interesting bits in house. It'll take them six months to produce a reasonable facsimile , but then they probably don't have another feature release planned for that amount of time anyway. Personally, I think the Xobni guys are fools for refusing the offer. If Microsoft are inter…

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