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I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by tomc1985 »

dokem wrote: post #440
tomc1985 wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My compute resources are not an all-you-can-eat buffet. I'm sick of inconsiderate developers writing software in wasteful frameworks that waste my electricity and time. You can make pretty x-platform apps in JavaFX, QT Quick, GTK, hell even Lazarus, and they don't eat CPU and memory like Electron does. It is a shame that nearly every app released in the latter half of this decade is just wasteful Electron garbage. Do…

I think you are taking developers' choice in framework a bit too personally.

And I think most users are far too tolerant of bad decisionmaking

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by brianjking »

pmarreck wrote: post #396
brianjking wrote: post #386

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Yeah, Mailbox app used this prior to it's Dropbox acquisition. Mailbox is now a dead product. RIP.

Why would Dropbox (note: not remotely an email service) acquire Mailbox and then kill it?

They paid a pretty penny too, $100 million to acquire Mailbox. As per the article from Wired (https://www.wired.com/2015/12/dropbox-kills-carousel-and-mai...) they said:

Although Mailbox could presumably fit into that strategy, Dropbox is instead focusing on its new Google Docs-style document editing and collaboration service Paper, which may gain some of the functionality of Mailbox. "As we deepened our focus on collaboration, we realized there’s only so much an email app can do to fundamentally fix email," a blog post credited to "the Mailbox team" reads. "We’ve come to believe that the best way for us to improve people’s productivity going forward is to streamline the workflows that generate so much email in the first place."

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by jrochkind1 »

muszc-master wrote: post #103
jk2323 wrote: post #94

Well, I am curious. Seems so hard to get an email client right. I would not mind paying (GPG integration is a must). If you don't go the mutt/alpine route, there aren't much options. Basically Thunderbird and Evolution. Never really got Clawsemail and iscribe to work with my IMAP server settings. To make things worse, people do understand email less and less. Often, all ports except 80 and 443 are blocked and you can…

During development of this client, I fully understand why there aren't more email clients out there. GPG is coming!

I think GPG might be a killer feature. Well, for some people, I'm not totally sure how many people care.

I care... but the convenience of a webmail client accessible on any device is just so great. But there's no good way to really have secure end-to-end encryption in a webmail client. That's about the only thing that would make me seriously consider a desktop client.

Really, I'm not sure what the audience size is for email you can't see on your phone though.

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by mful »

tomc1985 wrote: post #412
dhruvb14 wrote: post #406

I find it crazy that everyone is harping on Electron instead of the cool features that this clearly has that most clients do not. Demo looked pretty polished dude. Don't let the typical HN crowd rain on your parade. The fact that you posted an actual product out to the public is more than most can say. Also: If you can't spare Max 300MB ram and you are complaining on HN wtf computer do you use?

My compute resources are not an all-you-can-eat buffet. I'm sick of inconsiderate developers writing software in wasteful frameworks that waste my electricity and time. You can make pretty x-platform apps in JavaFX, QT Quick, GTK, hell even Lazarus, and they don't eat CPU and memory like Electron does. It is a shame that nearly every app released in the latter half of this decade is just wasteful Electron garbage. Do…

God forbid someone spend thousands of hours building a free app in the tech stack they are familiar/productive with...how inconsiderate!

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by jrochkind1 »

SyneRyder wrote: post #132
apta wrote: post #106

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> And considering the rumours about macOS, probably wise to avoid writing native Mac code just now. What rumors?

Apple is dropping Intel chips & replacing them with their own CPUs in Macs in 2020 [1], and working on a unified development API where you'll develop one app for iPhone & iPad that will also run on the Mac, so you won't need to write Mac specific apps anymore [2] [3]. It's all rumour & could be wrong. But there's some who feel macOS only has a couple of years left before being discontinued. In that climate, an Electr…

Apple has in the past been quite good at supporting old software even across hardware chip changes. Sometimes requiring only a recompile, sometimes not even that. Whether the Apple of today is the Apple of old, hard to say.

Seems difficult to make development choices today based on rumors, in any event.

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by graeme »

Can the filters be exported for import into gmail, etc?

I have a lot of gmail filters for auto archive or auto forwarding. I like to keep them at that level so that changing clients doesnlt mean I lose my filters. Does make it a pain to make new filters though if I’m in a 3rd party client.

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by spookthesunset »

CryoLogic wrote: post #410
dhruvb14 wrote: post #406

I find it crazy that everyone is harping on Electron instead of the cool features that this clearly has that most clients do not. Demo looked pretty polished dude. Don't let the typical HN crowd rain on your parade. The fact that you posted an actual product out to the public is more than most can say. Also: If you can't spare Max 300MB ram and you are complaining on HN wtf computer do you use?

Half of Hackernews is discussion about six figure tech salaries, the other half is complaints about 300mb (aka ~$2) ram being to expensive for an app. https://www.anandtech.com/show/9864/price-of-ddr4-memory-dro...

> Half of Hackernews is discussion about six figure tech salaries, the other half is complaints about 300mb (aka ~$2) ram being to expensive for an app.

Slashdot got like this eventually. Slashdot was tech site full of luddites complaining about anything new. Worse, slashdot stopped becoming relevant. When the top comment on an article about increased hard drive space was "why does all this stuff take so much space? bloat!! lazy developers!!!".... it's pretty lame.

300mb of ram is nothing. Your OS will swap the software out when you aren't using it and it will be no big deal. People need to stop micromanaging their computer and go do more productive things with their time....

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by muszc-master »

BuildTheRobots wrote: post #456
muszc-master wrote: post #374

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Haha "pressed to disk and posted" that was a fun remark :)

I'm baffled as to why I have to queue for something that's neither a physical product nor a service platform. Doubly so when the link posted seems to just bump someone else up the queue. As a hacker news link it does strike me as a form of clickbait (and it honestly winds me up); "Hey HN! come look at this thing I've built that I'm not letting you look at!"

Since I am only one developer currently, and there will probably be bugs, I don't want thousands of people having the same bug, this is the reason I'm not releasing it right away.

Re: I've spent the last two years building a new email client

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

dhruvb14 wrote: post #406

I find it crazy that everyone is harping on Electron instead of the cool features that this clearly has that most clients do not. Demo looked pretty polished dude. Don't let the typical HN crowd rain on your parade. The fact that you posted an actual product out to the public is more than most can say. Also: If you can't spare Max 300MB ram and you are complaining on HN wtf computer do you use?

It's not about WTF computer do you use, it's about being wasteful. I've been using Outlook and Skype for Business on my machine all day and they're using less than 160MB together.

Wastefulness is not cool.

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