Apple is a traditional business • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by jxdxbx » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:38 PM UTC

xmodem wrote: post #7

(Disclosure: I hold AAPL) Great article but a couple of points: On Tuesday’s call, there was just one question about innovative offerings, and it concerned health applications, an important driver of Apple Watch sales but not a potential world-beating sensation. Apple appears to be happy to think small and focus on its shareholders, not on pie-in-the-sky ideas, like other tech companies, including industry leaders. T…

Most of Apple's R&D spending is not categorized as R&D. R&D spending is for basic tech research not product development.

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by Clubber » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:39 PM UTC

xmodem wrote: post #7

(Disclosure: I hold AAPL) Great article but a couple of points: On Tuesday’s call, there was just one question about innovative offerings, and it concerned health applications, an important driver of Apple Watch sales but not a potential world-beating sensation. Apple appears to be happy to think small and focus on its shareholders, not on pie-in-the-sky ideas, like other tech companies, including industry leaders. T…

Yes, the guy's logic is whomever spends the most on R&D generates the most innovation (or something). How does he know what Apple is working on with R&D? What a silly statement.

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by jugg1es » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:39 PM UTC

His argument that Amazon is not innovating to solve real-world problems seems grossly uninformed. AWS is putting out new features almost weekly that solve lots of real-world problems across all industries.

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by erikpukinskis » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:39 PM UTC

fhood wrote: post #22

oflannabhra wrote: post #11

> ...this is a time when Amazon is pushing innovations that don’t solve any real-world problems but may create some: like smart speakers, with their threat of big brother-style surveillance in exchange for a minimal increase in convenience, or complex and expensive cashierless stores that won’t deliver much of an improvement to our shopping experience but may cost underprivileged people their jobs. This is a time whe…

I occasionally loose sleep, wondering what products were lost due to Jobs' early death. Edit: Ok, fine. I loose sleep wondering what ideas were out there that languished because Jobs wasn't around to see their potential and capitalize on them. The argument "he wasn't that important because he didn't actually invent X" is played out, and it fundamentally misses the point.

Those products were cancelled but his death accelerated the round of products made by young people inspired by his legacy. We’re in the lull of Jobslessness; the shock of his death.

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by zf00002 » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:39 PM UTC

Aditya_Garg wrote: post #18

gf263 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to pay anymore.

Actually, if you don't pay the developer fee, you can only install 2 apps per apple account and they get deactivated in a week. If you do pay, I think its unlimited apps and a 3 month long period before they get deactivated.

When did that change? I wrote an app that I use every day and have been for about 4 years now. The most recent time I've had to load it on a new phone was in Dec of last year.

My apple dev account was originally a paid one though so maybe that has something to do with it?

I really hope I don't run into this deactivation thing.

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by Rjevski » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:40 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #20

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

I probably now fall into this camp as well. I made fun of Apple for years, but while I still hold an emotional and likely completely irrational dislike for their products, if someone were to ask me for a recommendation on a phone today, the only phone I could recommend in good conscience is an iPhone, because it's the only option that takes privacy and security seriously right now.

> because it's the only option that takes privacy and security seriously right now. iPhones are a luxury. If you can recommend them it means you already belong to the richest part of the planet. For the rest, they jut can't afford it, and Apple was never interested in making anything cheap.

iPhone SE, or previous models are definitely affordable, and it seems like a good investment considering these devices are supported for 4 years on average, so on a 2 year-old second-hand device you’ll still get 2 years more of security updates, which is something Android can only dream about.

Will you also complain about Samsung because their flagship is too expensive?

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by hrktb » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:40 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #20

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

I probably now fall into this camp as well. I made fun of Apple for years, but while I still hold an emotional and likely completely irrational dislike for their products, if someone were to ask me for a recommendation on a phone today, the only phone I could recommend in good conscience is an iPhone, because it's the only option that takes privacy and security seriously right now.

> because it's the only option that takes privacy and security seriously right now. iPhones are a luxury. If you can recommend them it means you already belong to the richest part of the planet. For the rest, they jut can't afford it, and Apple was never interested in making anything cheap.

IMO they are luxury as running shoes or fresh legumes are luxury.

It costs more, but can be prioritized on a budget as an expense that makes a difference.

Actualy I think even for very tight budgets, investing in a good phone might have more impact than a lot of other purchases (even a computer depending on the case ?).

Very recently a lot of French towns added mobile payment options to coin meters. An iPhone SE is supported by most apps, I have now idea for the limit for android phone, and I wouldn’t imagine it works on the lowest end ones. I would imagine being able to run that app or mot could make the difference between being ticketed for overdue parking or not.

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by perfmode » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:40 PM UTC

fhood wrote: post #22

oflannabhra wrote: post #11

> ...this is a time when Amazon is pushing innovations that don’t solve any real-world problems but may create some: like smart speakers, with their threat of big brother-style surveillance in exchange for a minimal increase in convenience, or complex and expensive cashierless stores that won’t deliver much of an improvement to our shopping experience but may cost underprivileged people their jobs. This is a time whe…

I occasionally loose sleep, wondering what products were lost due to Jobs' early death. Edit: Ok, fine. I loose sleep wondering what ideas were out there that languished because Jobs wasn't around to see their potential and capitalize on them. The argument "he wasn't that important because he didn't actually invent X" is played out, and it fundamentally misses the point.

I wonder the same about Alan Turing.

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by Clubber » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:40 PM UTC

greedo wrote: post #38

michaelt wrote: post #13

I've been an Android user for years; I recently decided to change to iPhone, and this article really captures the reason why: Apple seems to be the only company for whom a cloud backup of my phone book is a liability, not an asset to be monetised.

Shouldn't that be inverted? Your iCloud Addressbook backup isn't a liability.

From the perspective of the vendor, it would be a cost center rather than a revenue generator (thus a liability). From the perspective of the customer, it's an asset because he isn't selling personal info for backups (which would be a liability).

Re: Apple is a traditional business

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Post by rhino369 » Wed, May 02, 2018, 3:40 PM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #20

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

I probably now fall into this camp as well. I made fun of Apple for years, but while I still hold an emotional and likely completely irrational dislike for their products, if someone were to ask me for a recommendation on a phone today, the only phone I could recommend in good conscience is an iPhone, because it's the only option that takes privacy and security seriously right now.

> because it's the only option that takes privacy and security seriously right now. iPhones are a luxury. If you can recommend them it means you already belong to the richest part of the planet. For the rest, they jut can't afford it, and Apple was never interested in making anything cheap.

iPhones are somewhat more expensive than their competition. But the iPhone SE or 6S are decent mid-market smartphone choices.