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Why do students have to write essays at home? Get them all in a classroom or big hall for 4-6 hours and let them write something on an imposed topic, the same for everyone. Cheating would be much harder this way.
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That's like saying "stealing isn't morally wrong - inventory control is retailers' responsibility and therefore it's their job to reduce loss".
I have a feeling that people who make misterbowlfingers argument would say that your analogy is also valid.
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That's like saying "stealing isn't morally wrong - inventory control is retailers' responsibility and therefore it's their job to reduce loss".
Academic cheating is NOT morally wrong in a general sense. We only think it is because it's drilled into us from a young age by the educational system. But there's really no equivalent of "cheating" in real world industries where it's the results that matter. e.g. nobody cares if you took wrote the software yourself or got it from someone else's library, as long as the software product works. If cheating happens, it…
Actual real world industries are full of possibilities for cheating: lie on your estimations, then lie to avert blame after those estimations are not met. Convert safety margings into profit margins and use that to outbid competitors who don't with prices they can't match. Real people die under collapsing structures that would not have collapsed had the safety margins been there.
Isn’t learning how to arbitrage time / money / skills a critical understanding for the Gig economy?
Also, don’t we praise ignoring rules that don’t serve you and force your resources into lower yield activities? (Uber, AirBnb, etc)
Where else in the real world do you get penalized for paying someone else to develop IP for you? You can have books ghost written, copy for articles, pretty much anything.
Have there been any studies that show people who outsource papers fair worse later in life?
Aren’t Universites largely a scam to extract money for credentialing leaving students with gross amounts of unbankruptable debt?
- Devils Advocate
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If you think the only important part of your children’s future is their ability to get hired, then you’re already setting them up for a life of misery and disappointment.
If you think the only important part of your children's education is what happens inside the walls of schools, then you're already setting them up for a life of mediocrity and servitude.
As a former University Librarian and Residents Director A) Cheating happens more then it doesn't. In a Philosophy Class which had a dozen seniors all cheated in Spring Semester. Professor flunked them all by giving them an F and told them they were lucky they weren't expelled. President Graduated the students and fired the professor. Then on appeal the President was fired and the Professor rehired with a raise. B) Sh…
Now before people dismiss such out of hand there are far too many who believe what is presented here because like many they are guilty of believing stories that reinforce their beliefs.
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Prove it. "Cheating" seems to have huge downsides, on the other hand it reduces friction inside of a rigid system. That is a net positive that stealing a TV from best buy simply does not have.
> That is a net positive that stealing a TV from best buy simply does not have. A major NYC blackout resulted in a bunch of looting. That looting is supposed to have resulted in a bunch of new musicians getting their hands on good equipment. Those scofflaw musicians invented new musical genres that revolutionized the artform. Sounds a lot like reducing the friction inside a rigid system. Basically, while we might pre…
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Misrepresenting your ability is morally wrong and can cause actual harm - personal, economic, or other forms of harm. You cheat on your test and become a lawyer, I may end up in jail because of your cheating. ... Or, you become a teacher, and my education is harmed. ... Or, an activity worker, and I fall off a climbing wall. ... Or, a scientist, and I waste time and resources repeating an experiment because you didn'…
These are real-world situations with real consequences on people's time, money, and lives. Honesty and ethics matter here. That's what licensing requirements are for. That's different from the academic system where you only use 10% of what you learn, once you go into the real world.
* It taught me how to learn difficult things quickly.
* The parts I do use were drilled to being second nature by the advanced courses I don't use anymore
I get the outrage over cheating, and it really bothered me in classes that graded on a curve that the cheaters would really adversely impact the people who didn't. But there is a meta question here, why does a youtube "star" even succumb to the idea of advertising/promoting a cheating product, when doing so might put all of their Youtube revenue at risk? Maybe it is because they get crap Youtube revenue and 'several…
"Several hundred dollars" heh. These deals are worth at least 5 digits, sometimes 6.
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When visiting a university in China, I saw a prominently displayed list of students who were caught cheating in the most recent term. I haven't yet seen such lists in American universities.
That’s because American universities don’t put your name on a list when you cheat. They expel you.