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H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

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Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

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Shocker. Here’s what happens in Melbourne, Australia. I used to work for one of the “big 4” banks.

1. Bank outsources to vendor. Typically IBM. “It’ll be cheaper!”

2. IBM is, initially, cheaper - because all of their staff are in India of course.

3. But they can’t do the job from India because they need to be here talking to their colleagues at the bank.

4. So they get flown to Melbourne, but still on Indian wages, where the poor souls live ten to an apartment because they can’t afford anything else.

5. The bank has now saved money by “offshoring” despite the workers actually being here in Australia.

It’s a disgrace and I have no idea why it isn’t in the news.

Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an H1B at Google, I get paid as much as my American co-workers at the same job title. Please stop spreading FUD.

You contributing to supply would still suppress wages though no?

There are tons of studies that show that high-skilled immigrants create more jobs than they occupy and overall boost a region's economy, but all of those are conveniently ignored whenever someone wants to make a point. Silicon Valley wouldn't exist without the H-1B visa.

Yes, there are companies that abuse visas and pay low wages etc. Why not focus on improving enforcement rather than rant about immigrants?

Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

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This is one thing I don't entirely understand in terms of political alignment. The one side that is supposed to be about the little guy seems to support this system of immigration which leads quite directly to depressed wages and exploitation of this sort. Even in cases where the 'guest workers' are not so ridiculously underpaid, companies still exploit the fact that these workers generally have to have this job or they may be forced to leave the nation losing any hopes of gaining permanent residency or citizenship. In other words when the company tells them to jump, their only question is going to be how high - compared to an increasingly 'mobile' domestic workforce.

Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

#14
Why not just adjust the H-1B program so that the highest paid positions get priority? That way companies could still hire abroad for in-demand skills, but it would eliminate bringing people into the country to avoid paying the prevailing wages for IT workers. You could even make exceptions for academic or medical work as needed. It seems like a common sense adjustment to the program, but I don't see many people offering this up as a solution to this problem.

Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

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Shocker. Here’s what happens in Melbourne, Australia. I used to work for one of the “big 4” banks. 1. Bank outsources to vendor. Typically IBM. “It’ll be cheaper!” 2. IBM is, initially, cheaper - because all of their staff are in India of course. 3. But they can’t do the job from India because they need to be here talking to their colleagues at the bank. 4. So they get flown to Melbourne, but still on Indian wages, w…

If I was living in India I’d probably take that deal.

Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

#16

H-1B needs to be ended. No more wage-suppression handouts to multi-billion dollar companies. Google and the rest of these companies can pay either pay more, or train more CITIZENS.

Wage suppression also affects citizens through non-competitive practices: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/apple-google-other-te...

The real fix, which is incredibly unpopular in certain circles, is a labor union

Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

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Shocker. Here’s what happens in Melbourne, Australia. I used to work for one of the “big 4” banks. 1. Bank outsources to vendor. Typically IBM. “It’ll be cheaper!” 2. IBM is, initially, cheaper - because all of their staff are in India of course. 3. But they can’t do the job from India because they need to be here talking to their colleagues at the bank. 4. So they get flown to Melbourne, but still on Indian wages, w…

I know another variation involving a different company and engineers from another country. They incentivize young engineers to go and work for companies like Google on-site. Since it is an amazing experience to travel and work abroad they don't care about additional work benefits.

Re: H-1B abuse: Bay Area tech workers from India paid a pittance, feds say

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an H1B at Google, I get paid as much as my American co-workers at the same job title. Please stop spreading FUD.

You contributing to supply would still suppress wages though no?

As an American citizen formerly at Google - no, not really.

The supply of engineers that can pass Google's slightly ridiculous hiring bar is still fairly small, and Google tends to take whoever meets it regardless of how many people it has already hired. It's not like they're short on cash, after all, and there was plenty of work to go around while I was there.

Anti-poaching agreements, proprietary tech stacks that are useless outside of Google, a broad prohibition on moonlighting, standardized salary bands (which actually blunt the impact of immigration on wages), and a tendency to offer non-monetary perks like free food and private Cirque du Soleil shows over more cash - those depress wages. Immigrant coworkers are not a significant concern.

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