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Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by pnutjam »

eventualhorizon wrote: post #103
pasbesoin wrote: post #76

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Who's supplying the gigabit fiber connectivity, out there? P.S. Answered my own question. Information may be out of date, but quite limited coverage residential plans from a couple of companies, and somewhat more but still limited coverage from a few companies business class offers. Wish I had that many choices. ATT finally dropped a fiber line into our neighborhood, but it's not hooked up yet. Given what Comcast is…

AT&T dropped fiber in my front yard too. I ignored it for a few months because previously they only offered bundles with tv and telephone and crappy speeds to boot. A coworker told me he was getting symmetric gigabit from AT&T for $70/month so I decided to check them out. I switched from Comcast and everything has been awesome except for the supplied wireless router. My iDevices will not work reliably on it so I adde…

AT&T was offering symmetric 100mb for $40 and gigabit for $80 in my Indianapolis suburb.
I understand it still has a cap of 1TB if I'm not mistaken. I guess they waive it if you use Uverse TV or directTV.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

AFNobody wrote: post #121
caseysoftware wrote: post #118

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It depends on the team and the role. From Austin, I joined Twilio (employee #25ish) as the first developer evangelist not on a coast. Now I'm with Okta on the Product Team (almost 2 years) running the technical side of our API offerings. There hasn't been a local office for either during that entire time. Demonstrate that you bring unique value to get your foot in the door, deliver on that value to stay in the game.…

Do you realize Austin isn't a small town? And that the experience you are expressing is in no way relevant to what I said or the person I responded too? Your career in Austin is the exact opposite of what I want. It is the very definition of a "big city" career.

Yes, even though they are working remotely now, they still have a lot of bargaining power given to them by virtue of the many local opportunities available to them. Also, being near a lot of developers can't have hurt their chances of getting a job as a developer evangelist.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by typomatic »

jonknee wrote: post #22
typomatic wrote: post #16

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> This is much less interesting than the rust belt decline Can you expand on this? Is it because you don't care about farmers in comparison to industrial workers, or is there a deeper meaning?

Kansas was never bustling, the rust belt was.

What is "bustling"? People lived there and enjoyed their lives, raised children, and participated in a culture. Who are you to look down your nose with "bustling"?

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by AFNobody »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #142
AFNobody wrote: post #121

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Do you realize Austin isn't a small town? And that the experience you are expressing is in no way relevant to what I said or the person I responded too? Your career in Austin is the exact opposite of what I want. It is the very definition of a "big city" career.

Yes, even though they are working remotely now, they still have a lot of bargaining power given to them by virtue of the many local opportunities available to them. Also, being near a lot of developers can't have hurt their chances of getting a job as a developer evangelist.

Yup and the fallback position of taking a local job if they can't find remote work w/o relocating which (honestly) was the original issue I was bringing up.

It isn't finding 1 remote job that lets you work from a rural area that is the issue. It is finding 20 years worth of such jobs.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by beaorn »

boomboomsubban wrote: post #110
chrissnell wrote: post #70

I'm writing this post from my home in Manhattan, Kansas, a mid-sized town in the Flint Hills. We had a gorgeous sunset tonight and I watched it from my back porch, staring across my lawn in the rolling ranch land behind me. I'm working for a San Francisco YC alum tech company but living in one of the most affordable places in the US. Life is amazing out here. I have gigabit fiber internet, great third-wave coffee sho…

Though I understand that it likely seems rural, by US definitions you live in an urban area. Any area with over 50,000 people is urban, which Manhattan manages even before adding the 25,000 non-residents there most of the year. The labeling system seems outdated. I live in an area that is rural, yet everyone in a 120 mile radius of me would say I lived in a city. A new classification of "rural city" seems necessary.…

Manhattan proper is an urban area but Frankfort and Wheaton both discussed in the article are within 45 miles of Manhattan. You dont have to go more than a few miles outside of Manhattan to be back in "Rural" areas.

Agreed on the further away from a true city comment, that is whats happening in Western KS.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by iron0013 »

stephengillie wrote: post #126
durkie wrote: post #117

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Have you picked berries for hours on end? It's terrible work.

Have you ever had to put 45 cases of cans on a shelf in an hour? Sorry for the "what about ism". There are some jobs that I wish automation would take, since they are so thankless.

Yeah, and one of them should berry picking, because it sucks to do.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by [deleted] »

pnutjam wrote: post #140
beaorn wrote: post #108

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I would agree that kids and age play a big part in the appeal of Manhattan for people outside of college age range, but it has other things going for it besides just K-State. https://livability.com/best-places/top-100-best-places-to-li... Kansas City is only a 2 hour drive away to go do bigger city stuff.

Two hours is a looong drive outside of Kansas. We happened to drive through Kansas on the way to a Colorado wedding, during prom season. It was interesting to see all these prom kids dressed up and meeting at truck stops to take pictures or carpool.

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Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by eesmith »

Bahamut wrote: post #91
chrissnell wrote: post #70

I'm writing this post from my home in Manhattan, Kansas, a mid-sized town in the Flint Hills. We had a gorgeous sunset tonight and I watched it from my back porch, staring across my lawn in the rolling ranch land behind me. I'm working for a San Francisco YC alum tech company but living in one of the most affordable places in the US. Life is amazing out here. I have gigabit fiber internet, great third-wave coffee sho…

For me, weather is a big issue - I’ve spent 4 years in Champaign-Urbana in Illinois, and I got sick of winter the first year I was there (two weeks where the high was -15 F, and the low was even lower than -30 F). If the weather were better, I would seriously consider it, but I tired of suffering through that cold real fast.

Are you sure about the "lower than -30 F"?

https://www.isws.illinois.edu/statecli/cuweather/cu-averages... says the record low temperature for Champaign-Urbana, Illinois was -25F "on four(!) occasions: 9 Feb 1899, 13 Feb 1905, 19 Jan 1994, and 5 Jan 1999."

To be sure, -25F is plenty cold. I've lived one place where the temperature got that cold, and in crappy student housing where we filmed over the windows and you could see the plastic bellowing in the wind, and where a 2L Coke bottle in the pantry froze. Not something I want to do again.

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #130
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #68

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I realize it's kind of a popular opinion on HN to shit on managers as only valuing "face time" and poo-pooing telework, but as an individual programmer, I find working at home without face-to-face interaction with product managers and designers a major pain in the ass. I can have a design discussion much more effectively with an in-person session than remotely. Of course, when I just want "get shit done" time I love…

But surely a design discussion is once a week at most, not every single day, and certainly not randomly throughout the day.

When in the early stages of a product I'd argue a design discussion is much more than once a week, though I totally agree with you about not wanting it "random throughout the day."

Re: Rural Kansas is dying

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Post by durkie »

stephengillie wrote: post #126
durkie wrote: post #117

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Have you picked berries for hours on end? It's terrible work.

Have you ever had to put 45 cases of cans on a shelf in an hour? Sorry for the "what about ism". There are some jobs that I wish automation would take, since they are so thankless.

I feel like both of our points are valid :)
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