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I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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I think with Apple at least, it’s a sense of trusting the platform to make all the right decisions for you; it’s what you pay for in part. That also leads to the interesting problem of users feeling betrayed instead of just annoyed when something isn’t right. I ran a user feedback tool for help documentation when I was at apple, but people would just post whatever there greivences were about the product and not the d…

> there was immense trust, and lifestyle invested in the brand, and immense pressure as an engineer to live up to all these people’s expectations. Agreed, and this emotional involvement goes a long way to explaining Apple's legendary margins and ability to sell upgrades with increasingly unexciting advancements. > On the ground floor, we weren’t worried about missing earnings or slowing user growth, we were worried t…

>>This could be said about so many different aspects of Apple products that I find it hard to believe that concern for user happiness and understanding is really that big of an explicit concern.

I can assure you it absolutely was in my experience. The problem is that there are so many of these issues and so much pressure to release new features that delight users that Apple has scaling pains.

It’s also possible that the C-Suite doesn’t think like that at all, as a grunt I had no insight into their actual motives. But I assumed the values they told us to uphold were genuine. It’s just really hard.

To this point, I’ll mention a talk Ive gave to new interns where he outlined the (then) controversy over the headphone design (the wired ones that come with your phone and slide into the ear). He was tasked with one earbud design, and for some people with different ears it just didn’t work. But for most people it was the most durable and best sound quality, yadda yadda. He talked about focusing on the majority case, making it as good as possible, and then giving a fallback that is also excellent (the old style rubber pad earbuds) for everyone else. Don’t be worried if someone does some niche better than you, he was saying, do the the absolute best for a large number of people and let other people own those niches.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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And that is entirely Apple's fault. That is one of my main frustrations with Apple: In order to compel more people to use their platform, they made a proprietary communication service, and preloaded it on all of their devices. Now I have to deal with this arbitrary segregation, just because some corporation decided it would help their bottom line. This is exactly the kind of practice rms warned us about decades ago,…

Google Duo works just fine on iPhones.

The problem is that it isn't preinstalled, while iMessage and Facetime are.

Apple tries very hard to convince its users that its practices are not the problem, but those who choose not to use Apple products. Anything that doesn't come preinstalled is seen as an unnecessary inconvenience by most iPhone users.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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"These discussions are not very useful, because they are based anecdotal evidence." This is true of practically every comment on this site!

I disagree. I have learned a lot from technical discussions on HackerNews.

I think that was meant to be ironic; there's a lot of value in anecdotes.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Google Duo works just fine on iPhones.

The problem is that it isn't preinstalled, while iMessage and Facetime are. Apple tries very hard to convince its users that its practices are not the problem, but those who choose not to use Apple products. Anything that doesn't come preinstalled is seen as an unnecessary inconvenience by most iPhone users.

Given that the app is free, and that people are willing to install apps their friends recommend, I don't think this is much of a barrier.

WhatsApp doesn't seem to have this issue, for instance.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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These discussions are not very useful, because they are based anecdotal evidence. Just to offer a counterpoint: my mother never used a computer and is non-technical, but she manages great with her iPad (she does chat, Facetime, and web browsing). She had a couple of hand down Android phones (IIRC, Moto E, Moto G, and later a Samsung Galaxy Note 4). The Android phones were very confusing to her and she had difficulty…

For scientific research maybe, but I'm sure you're aware that usage "anecdotes" (i.e. use cases) are part of the basis of designing a user experience.

And anecdotes are useful for learning about phenomena deserving real investigation. E.g. it's been very interesting to learn that there do exist non-techie people who have a harder time with Apple devices.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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It will work with any phone or PC with a USB C port as long as the OS supports USB audio devices. As far as I know, all the major OS's support those. Even iOS if you have a lightning -> USB adapter. Technically it draws power but it's not going to use more power than an internal headphone jack does. They are both just a DAC and a small headphone amp. The only difference is that one is inside the device and one is out…

"It will work". Just as bluetooth? Humanity has serious issues getting serial to work over USB, yet this will just work? Across all OSes? We can't even make USB-C CABLES correctly, but THIS is a sure thing? Even the cheap ones everyone will buy? Or the expensive ones that has the same hardware but a nicer box/cable? We won't have apple compatible cables, android compatible cables etc.? We won't have situations where…

In this case, it will actually just work. People have been using USB audio DAC's since at least 2002. Unless you're using something aimed at professional musicians with a lot of inputs and outputs, it's just plug and play with class compliant drivers. Linux, MacOS, Windows, Android, and iOS all just work.

Obviously, until Apple switches to USB C, we will have separate USB C and lightning cables. That's inconvenient.

The argument for removal is that it's redundant. The USB or lightning port can transmit audio, so remove the 3.5mm and suddenly you have more space inside the phone to put stuff and it's probably slightly cheaper/easier to water proof.

edit: I feel compelled to mention that 3.5mm has issues as well. Cheap 3.5mm cables are often slightly too large or slightly too small which cause contact issues and wear on the port over time. Dirt/fuzz get pushed down into the port sometimes. Scratches or dirt can make the connection bad and cause noise when moving the plug. For a while we didn't have a standard TRRS configuration but I think we figured that one out now, for the most part. You can actually buy a 3.5mm TS cable which is missing a channel on the normal TRS or TRRS and therefore will not work, while looking almost identical to the correct cable.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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"It will work". Just as bluetooth? Humanity has serious issues getting serial to work over USB, yet this will just work? Across all OSes? We can't even make USB-C CABLES correctly, but THIS is a sure thing? Even the cheap ones everyone will buy? Or the expensive ones that has the same hardware but a nicer box/cable? We won't have apple compatible cables, android compatible cables etc.? We won't have situations where…

Add to that, we can't even make passive USB-C to 3.5mm adapters properly! But even that doesn't matter now when the Pixel 2 (etc.) has been released without even an internal DAC. People buy these overpriced passive adapters but they obviously won't work, so people leave 1-star reviews and have to return the cables. This is a fuckup of epic proportions.

Passive USB-C to 3.5mm are the problem and should be avoided, in my opinion.

A USB-C to 3.5mm with a DAC inside can be used in any USB C port. A passive adapter will only work in some USB C ports. I don't expect USB C ports on laptops will ever have a DAC behind them.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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The real answer here is to use the lightning -> 3.5mm adapter which comes with the iPhone, I believe.

IIRC you can't charge at the same time as using the included one, and need to pay extra for the bulkier one that allows charging and use of a 3.5mm jack at the same time. That is OK much of the time, but a faf is you want use your iDevice for music while working for some hours or while mobile for long enough that you might normally plug in a portable battery. Unless they've started including the two function adaptor…

They do not include that one as standard, as far as I know.

If you are someone who charges your phone while listening to music on a regular basis, then I can see the lack of headphone jack being an issue.

The real solution for that problem, in my opinion, is to just put two USB C or two lightning ports on the phone. They have much more usage than a 3.5mm port. Two places to charge from, charge and have external storage attached, etc.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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The walled garden is one of Apple's strengths. I joined the ecosystem because there is a walled garden, not despite of it. There is some anecdotal evidence that Apple is heavyhaded with their approval process but, for the most part, it's a success. The parent-kid thing is a societal problem, not an Apple problem. Can hardly blame a company because the kids of their customers don't want to be inclusive (exclusivity is…

The problem here is that the walled-garden approach is being used on communication services. It's arbitrarily impossible to send text to/from Android with iMessage. It's arbitrarily impossible to use Facetime with anything other than iOS or OS X. You may have found this walled garden to be a feature, but that doesn't mean every person you associate with does; yet you are likely imposing it upon them. This problem is…

Apple is not abusing anyone (maybe their assembly workers, but even that is a stretch). They are providing a service and no one is forced to use it.

At the office, we use Slack and Webex for communication. With some friends, we use Skype and Messenger for video calls, with others it's FaceTime. No one is ostracized for having an Android. Not at work and certainly not in private.

How do you feel like you're being imposed on?

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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That's what you do. But what if you have several headphones? (I can barely realistically buy an extra adapter for my phone, never mind the ridiculous cost) I've got two headphones (good sound or active noise cancellation) that I use and every single day I have to keep extra track of the adapter to make sure that I didn't leave it with the other pair - that's even if I don't use it. I mostly use it for long calls but…

The headphone adapters from Apple and Google cost $9 dollars each. If you can afford to buy a $700 phone, you can afford to spend $30 bucks on some extra adapters if you want them. In most cases, at least. I suppose availability of the adapters might be an issue in some areas as well.

To be honest, if I can afford a 700 dollar phone, I can far more easily afford a 500 dollar older phone which has a headphone jack.

I don’t need the irritation of managing extra jacks for an obvious attempt to force me to give up a standard configuration.

No thanks.

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