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I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

tjoff wrote: post #192
matwood wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Siri is definitely Apples biggest weakness, but the headphone jack? The phone comes with a little adapter. If you're a person who has tons of nice headphones laying around, but a couple more adapters and call it a day. Is it a bit of inconvenience at first? Sure, but don't act like there is no way to plug in headphones or that it's the end of the world. And Duo? I'm a tech person and I can't keep all of the Google co…

Royally disagree with the headphone jack. That is a huge issue that I don't ever see an end to. You never know when you need a headphone jack and there is no realistic way to carry an adapter all the time. And that is even if I'm willing to buy $100 worth of worthless adapters and do my best to sprinkle them out in my life. Friends car? Stereo in the summer vacation house? Buying bluetooth headphones doesn't mitigate…

Almost every modern car now has USB or bluetooth, even cheap entry level compact cars.

> Friends car? Stereo in the summer vacation house?

Bluetooth speakers are pretty much ubiquitous nowadays. I don't think I've seen an aux cord in 2 years.

Why should a tech company design for old tech? Do you also dislike monitors that don't have VGA just in case? I'm not saying there are scenarios where that would be an issue. But I think you overestimate the issues and most people really don't care.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by tjoff »

laken wrote: post #214
intended wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Head phone jack is a big issue. I have no desire to keep one on me at all times on the off chance that I will need it. I just stop listening to music or using the device for that use case. Basically dropping the functionality of the phone significantly, unless I’m home or near my tech storage locker. This is assanine design.

Why not just keep the dongle attached to your headphones?

That's what you do. But what if you have several headphones? (I can barely realistically buy an extra adapter for my phone, never mind the ridiculous cost)

I've got two headphones (good sound or active noise cancellation) that I use and every single day I have to keep extra track of the adapter to make sure that I didn't leave it with the other pair - that's even if I don't use it. I mostly use it for long calls but that's typically just once a week.

But even that doesn't save you from times where you don't bring any headphones but still want to listen in your car or any other scenario. Has happened multiple times to me already despite all that hassle.

Also, a big use case is to listen to music while charging your phone at work etc. With an adapter that isn't possible.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

e40 wrote: post #198
YouKnowBetter wrote: post #136

My whole family (parents, sister & her kids, wife & our kids) have switched to iPhones (and macos devices) years ago. Result: 1. no "technical" issues anymore. As the go to IT guy in the family this alone is worth the supposed premium price one pays for the Apple logo. 2. Everything is updated, at all times. 3. "Facebook logs my sms" are a none issues 4. All devices die of old age (even the devices that have since lo…

When my 80 year old dad went from Android to iPhone, the mistakes went up and his ability to get things done went down. Cognitively, he's the same, so it's not that. Maybe he was ruined by using Android first. For example, he never used to send texts to my home phone number. Now half of them are, though I seem to have got him to switch to email. He still can only send me pictures from his phone about 1 out of 4 times…

My parents almost solely used windows. I had an old macbook and gave it to them and they had a very hard time adjusting to the new UI, they kept asking for the Start menu.

Remember when Windows 8 came out and people were asking for the start menu?

> Cognitively, he's the same, so it's not that.

When did he learn android? It's much harder for older people to learn new things especially when they're used to something else.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by ams6110 »

tjoff wrote: post #221
matte_black wrote: post #212

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Many stereos and cars should accept Bluetooth connections by now, so I’m not sure what the problem is.

1. Many more don't. Home stereos typically don't. Regular radios typically don't. 2. Bluetooth is pure crap , the UX for connecting and managing temporary devices is absolutely insane on all devices. This is something you do on your own car but is a major hassle to setup for temporary occasions. And hardly something that is done on a whim just to demo something. It is just that bad. And this is even before considerin…

Agree, bluetooth is a knock-out factor for me. I refuse to use it, it's been a total PITA any time I've tried.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by grincho »

matte_black wrote: post #212
tjoff wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Royally disagree with the headphone jack. That is a huge issue that I don't ever see an end to. You never know when you need a headphone jack and there is no realistic way to carry an adapter all the time. And that is even if I'm willing to buy $100 worth of worthless adapters and do my best to sprinkle them out in my life. Friends car? Stereo in the summer vacation house? Buying bluetooth headphones doesn't mitigate…

Many stereos and cars should accept Bluetooth connections by now, so I’m not sure what the problem is.

Most devices can't remember more than 1 phone at a time, so you have to continually put the thing back into pairing mode. Every device has a different way of putting it into pairing mode. Sometimes there's a code to type, adding an additional step. Then it's several clicks on the phone to connect to the device.

Plugging in a cable is often a lot simpler, and it works every time.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by microtonal »

jvannistelrooy wrote: post #129

For my job as an app Product Manager, I use several different devices on a daily basis. I also switch between an iPhone and Android phone as my personal device every half year or so, to stay up-to-date with both platforms. I think articles like these are interesting to read, but not relevant anymore. iPhones and high-end Android devices both offer a mature user experience, and you can't objectively say that one is be…

iPhones and high-end Android devices both offer a mature user experience, and you can't objectively say that one is better than the other.

I agree. Both are great. It boils down mostly to:

- Are you in the Google ecosystem: Google Apps are greater on Android.

- Do you use a Mac: iDevices and Macs do handoff (you can take your phone calls on the Mac, continue typing an e-mail on your iDevice, etc.).

- How many years and how regular do you want security updates. Here generally: iDevices > Google Pixel > non-Google Android.

- How convenient are you with Apple or Google having a chunk of your private data.

Also, more in general, non-Google Android can be a terrible mess. For instance, I used Motorola phones for a while, they used to update phones pretty quickly after Google, but then you were stuck with the extremely buggy .0 version for a long time. Android 5.0 on my Moto X 2013 or 2014 (I don't remember) was terrible, since it had a memory leak. It took them > 6 months to start pushing out fixes.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by intended »

laken wrote: post #214
intended wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Head phone jack is a big issue. I have no desire to keep one on me at all times on the off chance that I will need it. I just stop listening to music or using the device for that use case. Basically dropping the functionality of the phone significantly, unless I’m home or near my tech storage locker. This is assanine design.

Why not just keep the dongle attached to your headphones?

My main headphones are huge audiotechnicas which I couldn’t wear in a car or at work without it being a massive pain.

It’s a massive pain.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by grincho »

laken wrote: post #214
intended wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Head phone jack is a big issue. I have no desire to keep one on me at all times on the off chance that I will need it. I just stop listening to music or using the device for that use case. Basically dropping the functionality of the phone significantly, unless I’m home or near my tech storage locker. This is assanine design.

Why not just keep the dongle attached to your headphones?

Which headphones?

And then, when you want to plug them into an (even Apple) laptop, you detach the adaptor and forget to bring it with you.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by RegBarclay »

jvannistelrooy wrote: post #129

For my job as an app Product Manager, I use several different devices on a daily basis. I also switch between an iPhone and Android phone as my personal device every half year or so, to stay up-to-date with both platforms. I think articles like these are interesting to read, but not relevant anymore. iPhones and high-end Android devices both offer a mature user experience, and you can't objectively say that one is be…

I agree and generally say people should just pick the one they like and go with it because the devices are generally at parity.

Re: I switched from iPhone to the Pixel 2: One-week report

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Post by sowbug »

onewhonknocks wrote: post #141
dogweather wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For that reason, I didn't give attention to the device's speed. 95% of my comparison is the current iOS (which the 6s+ runs) vs. the current Android.

But is it your contention that the experience of the current iOS on a 2014 device would be the same (or very close) as that of the current iOS on, say, an iPhone X? Because I'd push back on that.

Dude, back off. This isn't a speeds and feeds product review. Someone had one phone for a while and then bought another phone. This is a post about the experience.
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