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Bill Gates, Hero

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the standard litany of complaints That phrase is sufficient to earn an upmod all on its own. Reading your reply, I immediately thought of people huddled in a church listening to the Vicar preach against Microsoft's evil. But it isn't a passionate speech full of fire and brimstone, it's a standard reading that he has given so many times, his voice is now a monotone and the parishioners know every word by heart.

Ha, good visualization. I find much of what I read here to be like that. Especially when people or corporations (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook) are called evil. At that point it always feels like we've left the realm of enlightened conversation. There's never a recognized gray area. It saddens me and makes me giggle whenever I see the community patting itself on the back for the quality of its discussion.

Well.. when discussions get preachy like this it's hard to come in and make any impact with a gray area opinion.

My position is that Microsoft nudged the line of business practices and spent a lot of time in the gray area between generally acceptable and illegal. Most of it was a hard to judge because it involved holding MS to a different standard due to their size and weight. They got nudged back by the courts and the public.

In hindsight, I think they are almost certainly better off for having had them.

Bill may not have been an exemplary moral model in his practices at that time, but he wasn't an extreme example of immoral CEO either. It was a relatively short period in MS history that was like that. He is an extreme example of a moral billionaire now.

See? Sounds like a boring compromise.

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First comment on HN after lurking for a year or so. It does irk me that people who obtain their wealth by means of sitting at the top of a monopoly can be praised by giving away the money that they did not have to work so hard for without others giving second thought to how the person arrived in that position in the first place. Sure it was hard to get to the monopoly position in the first place, but what happened after?

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> And in any case, most CEOs don't make a HUGE salary. You should check out the banking industry.

Actually, even in the banking industry, most CEOs have a salary between $0.6-1 million/year. The real money is in the bonus.

I think they accept such salaries because they know that the total compensation is much much higher. If there were no bonuses they would not accept such salaries. http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/storysupplement/ceopay/

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Your argument is silly all the way through. He's got an IQ of 160, which means he actually is considerably smarter than most of the rest of us. He was born into money, but so are hundreds of thousands of people in our country. Most accomplish little of value. Much more common in his situation would be a career in investment banking, sucking money out of the middle class's retirements. It's ludicrous to say that he's…

I cannot see into alternate universes You don't have to see into alternate universes. You just have to be old enough to have already lived in one. The one before Microsoft. I suspect that alot of the Bill Gates/Microsoft love/hate splits along age lines. If you're under 40, you're not old enough to have experienced the glorious pre-Microsoft days. We worked on all kinds of cool stuff, IBM mainframes (the good and the…

I remember buying a 486 DX 66 Mhz from a local computer shop, and it was within my parents price range because that computer shop assembled the PCs themselves. And the best thing about it ... it was a standard, and I could find tons of cool shit to run on it.

Of course, I live in Eastern Europe, maybe you guys in the US have been more lucky in regards to access to mainframes / Unix operating systems ... I wasn't.

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Why do you think Silicon Valley has never quite come around on this guy? Because of the trail of dead bodies and lost opportunities left in his wake. Let's not forget, Bill Gates was handed a 0th birthday gift of $1 million from his grandfather, the keys to his private middle school computer (the same one Stanford had), and a free ticket to do business with IBM because his mother already knew its chairman. Sure he wa…

I don't agree, even if we think Bill Gates is the evil, that doesn't mean that without him the industry would be what is it now. I think he contributed to move the industry, may be without the intent, but may be better than others.

Obviously we would never know about the parallel realities.

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So why isn't he campaigning for lower taxes for her instead of higher taxes for others?

Because you will need to raise taxes for them to pay for lower taxes for her

Not necessarily, you can reduce government spending.

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...but this part above strikes me as petty... Sorry if it came across that way; that was not my intent. Everyone's starting point is relative. No one ever gave me the gifts that Bill Gates got. But then again, I've had gifts that 99% of everyone who ever lived couldn't imagine. With those gifts comes responsibility. Whenever I have an opportunity to use my gifts to do good things, I think of how proud those who made…

From your comments its clear that you're zealously anti-capitalist and, as a result, anti-Microsoft, so you're simply not applying logic. Bill Gates did his legal duty. When you run a corporation you have a fiduciary responsibility to it. He would be doing something immoral if he didn't do what was best for Microsoft. The theory behind free market capitalism is that enough companies doing the same will average out to…

How is being anti-capitalist necessarily 'not applying logic'? Being anti-capitalist is not necessarily being illogical. It just means that one of the foundational assumptions of his/her point is something you disagree with.

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Another way to look at it is that Gates used his very generous gifts to give 100s of thousands of people jobs, make PCs affordable for small businesses and common people, then went on to give away enough to charity to become the greatest philanthropist in history. Meanwhile the people who vilify him worship Steve Jobs, who has broken plenty of laws himself (backdating is fraud), done most of the things that have insp…

> give 100s of thousands of people jobs Would have jobs with or without Gates > make PCs affordable for small businesses and common people Like I said before, Jobs and Wozniak did that, Jack Tramiel did that (even better than J&W). > then went on to give away enough to charity to become the greatest philanthropist in history He is the richest man in history. > the people who vilify him worship Steve Jobs False dichot…

> He is the richest man in history.

Small nitpick, adjusted for inflation, no he isn't, not even close. Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Vanderbilt were all much richer. Also, it needs to be said that these were the richest Americans, not necessarily richest ever worldwide.

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