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Re: YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels

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Post by walshemj »

Barrin92 wrote: post #120
jerf wrote: post #9

"Cronin’s YouTube channel was up to about 22,000 subscribers when he received a notice from YouTube about one of his videos, “Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium.” The notice said the video had been removed for violating YouTube’s community guidelines, but didn’t specify further." Magnesium isn't even a nootropic. That is, while it may have some ability to boost cognition, it isn't a substance pr…

>while science isn't saying you should use magnesium for sleep per se, it isn't necessarily a crazy idea taking nutritional supplements without any evidence that they accomplish anything useful and without a physician's advice is generally a bad idea (the default mode is not 'take until suggested otherwise' but 'only take if necessary'), and trying to make money off it by marketing them on youtube is even more misera…

Exactly last Autumn I was in a renal clinic recovering from surgery.

One of the patents on my ward was an OAP who had been taking a lot of Zinc which reacted with the meds he was on and it Totally shut down his Kidneys FFS.

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Post by CivilEngineer »

joew42k wrote: post #54

Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…

If they're taking it down because of Government pressure or exposure to government litigation then it is censorship, even by your very limited definition

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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

21 wrote: post #115
pboutros wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a difference between "removing false/misleading videos that perpetuate a scam" and Fahrenheit 451

So it would be fine by you if YouTube removed a video titled "Python is the best programming language in the world" because it is misleading.

That is definitely not ok.

However if the title was "PHP is the best programming language in the world", then the account should be banned, and they should possibly forward the authorities the offenders IP Address so they can get the crazy person on a watch list.

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Post by politician »

akvadrako wrote: post #112
politician wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft didn't abuse a monopoly on Windows in the 90s either, as you could just run a Linux distribution on your own machine. Right? Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... . Just because someone can run a small-time operation out of their garage, doesn't mean another company doesn't have a monopoly.

Ms had a monopoly because of market forces - but it's very easy to not use youtube.

As a contributor or as a visitor?

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Post by serf »

jrhurst wrote: post #26
jerf wrote: post #9

"Cronin’s YouTube channel was up to about 22,000 subscribers when he received a notice from YouTube about one of his videos, “Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium.” The notice said the video had been removed for violating YouTube’s community guidelines, but didn’t specify further." Magnesium isn't even a nootropic. That is, while it may have some ability to boost cognition, it isn't a substance pr…

Problem is medical claims are highly regulated in the West. So there is a likely legal liability for youtube in the US and in the UK. In fact, they might have already had pressure from regulators.

>Problem is medical claims are highly regulated in the West.

so highly regulated that I can buy a one-time dose vial of mystery liquid at my local liquor store that promises harder erections and improved cognition, without the active ingredients printed anywhere.

If this was triggered by pressure from any group like the FDA, i'd sure be curious why they decided to start regulating medical woo-woo at the YouTube level, and not at the "homeopath that can cure any cancer" level, which is totally prevalent in the U.S.

When I had a commute I used to count the car windshield banner stickers that advertised the sale of miracle juices, berrys, extracts, whatever. Those 'Avon-esque' pyramid schemes are dangerous from both sides -- both for suckers that get pulled in as sellers , and for the folks consuming the stuff hoping to cure colon cancer, but that stuff is still as prevalent as ever..

When, exactly, does western medical regulation kick in? It seems to be when you're making lots of money on-shore.

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Post by hw89y24y89 »

otakucode wrote: post #94
jerf wrote: post #9

"Cronin’s YouTube channel was up to about 22,000 subscribers when he received a notice from YouTube about one of his videos, “Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium.” The notice said the video had been removed for violating YouTube’s community guidelines, but didn’t specify further." Magnesium isn't even a nootropic. That is, while it may have some ability to boost cognition, it isn't a substance pr…

YouTube isn't going after 'crazy idea[s] in need of being censored.' They're going after anything they can to shut down as many small channels as they can. Their end goal is a situation akin to traditional TV networks. Far less variety, very much walled off from participation, and much more centralized. This will enable Eric Schmidt and his colleagues to exercise much more control over human culture. He explained tha…

Out of context paraphrase isn't really selling your argument

I mean the primary author of the Constitution, James Madison, has a pretty well known quote that the government should protect the "opulent minority from the tyranny of the majority."

The government has openly and successfully deployed propaganda within the US, and gifted decades of research to media companies by funding "journalism" and similar courses in unis for decades, effectively indoctrinating numerous voices

And it's all plainly document in government record

The pharaoh's had their pyramids built

Imperialist after imperialist conquered Europe and further east, found NA and spread there too.

What else are you expecting of human societies but top-down manipulation of the masses for their gains?

On the upside, it's trending away from overt global violence... outside the Middle East anyway. Thank Western imperialism for that; gotta ship that cheap oil and keep some progressive idealists from raising prices to insure fair wages for their countrymen

And the western gen pops keep voting for it

Nowadays they have people believing economics and physics are one and the same, despite the plain history of corrupt behavior, the rich come out on top because it's in their very atoms!

Humanity is a shitshow that I've given up on trying to understand. It'll die out some day and that'll be that. Until then, edit text files, go home.

Human "culture" IMO, and the defense or concern of, are exactly what create most of this trouble anyway. Don't need it to feed and cloth and care for people. It just becomes a bunch of justification and ephemeral nonsense to wrap oneself in, completely arbitrary, to feel important.

But if someone like Schmidt can manipulate it in say a direction like "debate and conversation, leading to improved social outcomes" why not? Beats the traditional position of "force people into literal slavery or war for my empire"

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Post by mindslight »

JackCh wrote: post #75
joew42k wrote: post #54

Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…

The "my preferred definition of censorship specifies that it can only be done by governments, and [company] is not a government" rhetoric that always appears with these sort of stories is truly tiring and pedantic. Nobody here thinks that youtube is a government. The problem isn't people thinking that youtube is a government; the problem is people thinking that censorship is something only a government can do, or thi…

> pedantic

It's not pedantic, it is patently false.

Wikipedia: "Governments and private organizations may engage in censorship"

Merriam Webster: Censor: "a person who supervises conduct and morals"

Dictionary.com: Censor: "any person who supervises the manners or morality of others"

ACLU: "Censorship can be carried out by the government as well as private pressure groups"

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Post by jimrandomh »

Barrin92 wrote: post #120
jerf wrote: post #9

"Cronin’s YouTube channel was up to about 22,000 subscribers when he received a notice from YouTube about one of his videos, “Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium.” The notice said the video had been removed for violating YouTube’s community guidelines, but didn’t specify further." Magnesium isn't even a nootropic. That is, while it may have some ability to boost cognition, it isn't a substance pr…

>while science isn't saying you should use magnesium for sleep per se, it isn't necessarily a crazy idea taking nutritional supplements without any evidence that they accomplish anything useful and without a physician's advice is generally a bad idea (the default mode is not 'take until suggested otherwise' but 'only take if necessary'), and trying to make money off it by marketing them on youtube is even more misera…

Check the Wikipedia page on magnesium deficiency, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_deficiency_(medicine... . It has solid citations and says:

"Symptoms of magnesium deficiency include ... insomnia" and "57% of the US population does not meet the US RDA for dietary intake of magnesium."

I don't know what was in the video beyond its title, but the title is solidly inside the bounds of established science.

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Post by warent »

swirepe wrote: post #93
jrhurst wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Problem is medical claims are highly regulated in the West. So there is a likely legal liability for youtube in the US and in the UK. In fact, they might have already had pressure from regulators.

Did you know that Pepsi is made from dead babies? I didn't, before YouTube [1]. It turns out you can say almost anything you want on video without it being a legal issue. I don't think regulators care about this small-time stuff. [1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d72KsFEenz8

Absolutely bogus. I just spent 30 minutes verifying this claim. They used HEK 293 cells combined with taste receptors as a tool in the development of a totally unrelated molecule by Senomyx called Sweetmyx.

Sweetmyx has zero embryo cells in it. The embryo cells were used to test how the human taste receptors would respond to Sweetmyx.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/senomyxed-messages/

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Post by serf »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #119
JackCh wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this may be a case where the truth is difficult for the general public to believe because it sounds too "conspiratorial".

No, I don't believe it because it sounds like a really stupid idea. YouTube isn't going to have much less variety, because YouTube makes money by selling ads to viewers, and they're going to have a significant number fewer viewers if they try to do that. And I suspect that they want to make money even more than they want to reshape the culture into the image of what they think it should be...

I don't believe this idea, but allow me to play devil's advocate.

>And I suspect that they want to make money even more than they want to reshape the culture into the image of what they think it should be...

Groups often do this to secure future profits at the cost of current profits. It would be to the advantage of YT to reduce costs by funneling as many users as they can to the same result, allowing for the reduction of dynamic elements within their structure.

It could be that they are juggling total lost customers with a total cost of operation and trying to achieve a more profitable ratio with cheaper/easier to substantiate channels/results

tl;dr : Google would be cheaper to run if there were only 20 results. Google would be #1 if they could keep their current audience happy with that style of operation, due to the disparity in income versus outward expenses.

Maybe some group of psychologists is discussing what channels to bar next that won't hurt the bottom line...

(but, like I said in the beginning , I doubt it very much -- it's just a fun exercise to imagine why they would want to destroy content)

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