The timing suggests that this might be related to GDPR.
In what way do you think this relates to GDPR?
There may be a Greek woman named Calm Calcium.
YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels
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#82New Ask HN thread: where are creators migrating to in lieu of YouTube? Vimeo? Twitch? Facebook? Metacafe or Dailymotion? There are also also already dozens of dapps for streaming like dtube, lbry, viewly, lino, flixxo....(etc, just see https://www.google.com/search?q=decentralized+youtube ), but I don't see any particular venue rising above the rest, as a lot of creators seem to choose "all of the above" as an answer…
AFAIK nothing. From what I've seen nearly everybody is remaining on youtube and is counting on using alternative monetization platforms such as patreon or selling merchandise. This gives them a security net if youtube decides to demonetize their videos (or simply if their youtube revenue drops off), but doesn't help them if youtube just starts deleting their videos or bans them from the platform.
For instance Cody's Lab has a patreon page which doubtlessly helps with falling revenue from youtube, but it doesn't prevent youtube from giving him various community guideline strikes and locking his channel for videos that were considered acceptable years ago when they were uploaded but are now retroactively in violation.
(Some specific 'genres' of content creators have alternative platforms. For instance gamers have twitch, and gun channels have full30. But I've not seen any alternative platform becoming popular that targets the full range of youtube content)
(Incidentally the ubiquity of patreon makes me wonder if it too will shape up to be considered a harmful monopoly one day in the not so distant future.)
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#83Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…
> Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website.
A big chunk of our culture is hosted by that company. Not sure if that makes a difference, but imho, it should.
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#84So a creator trusts the guidelines provided by youtube and invests in a business to find out later youtube can actually shut that business down without a tangible reason. I don't understand how being a private entity gives youtube the right to make a false advertisement and treat their creators as fools. Is it clearly stated that youtube can remove your videos just because? (considering, claiming it's not fitting gui…
Of course it is. Almost every single sharing service has some sort of clause in their ToS that they can remove any content at their discretion.
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#85"Cronin’s YouTube channel was up to about 22,000 subscribers when he received a notice from YouTube about one of his videos, “Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium.” The notice said the video had been removed for violating YouTube’s community guidelines, but didn’t specify further." Magnesium isn't even a nootropic. That is, while it may have some ability to boost cognition, it isn't a substance pr…
really? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=magnesium+sleep+research&t=ffsb&ia... First result: The effect of magnesium supplementation on primary insomnia in elderly: A double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trial. CONCLUSION: Supplementation of magnesium appears to improve subjective measures of insomnia such as ISI score, sleep efficiency, sleep time and sleep onset latency, early morning awakening, and likewise, insomnia…
I've found that magnesium helps my sleep, particularly the cheaper forms. The more expensive chelated forms seem to do less for me.
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#86Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…
The "my preferred definition of censorship specifies that it can only be done by governments, and [company] is not a government" rhetoric that always appears with these sort of stories is truly tiring and pedantic. Nobody here thinks that youtube is a government. The problem isn't people thinking that youtube is a government; the problem is people thinking that censorship is something only a government can do, or thi…
> the problem is people thinking that censorship is something only a government can do,
It's not. Private companies can attempt to silence people.
But Youtube isn't preventing the creators from hosting content elsewhere. They aren't hitting them with a slapp lawsuit. They aren't colluding with other websites to ban these videos.
Youtube is just saying "host these somewhere else." How is that different from a publishing company choosing not to publish a book?
Well it is a little different. For the reason I mentioned in my post. Because youtube is the only game in town.
> I'm not confident breaking up the google 'monopoly' would actually solve this problem.
The problem, in my eyes, is that youtube can ban you, and there is no alternative place to host your videos with the same level of exposure. Having a competitive market place would solve this problem, and give video hosting sites an incentive to treat creators fairly.
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#87Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…
There should be a social network for lonely, security-obsessed linux people who refuse to partake in social media. Maybe we should start raising homing pigeons and send little notes to each other. I need to get my ham license one of these days.
I'm sure you'll get on famously with Diaspora's user.
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#88Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. Nobody's stopping makers of these videos from hosting the videos themselves. This is not censorship in the way we have traditionally understood. It only feels like it because Youtube is where the biggest audience is. It's the same whenever Facebook penalizes a post in the timeline, or whenever Google hides content from the search resul…
> Youtube is a private company and can do whatever they want with their own website. A big chunk of our culture is hosted by that company. Not sure if that makes a difference, but imho, it should.
It totally does.
Why is such a big chunk of our culture is hosted by a private company?
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
The channels in question aren't accused of containing false/misleading videos, they're accused of containing disallowed facts. Noone disputes that modafinil promotes wakefulness or that magnesium makes many sleepy.
Websites have always been allowed to decide which facts to allow on their site. Right now, if I visited an anti-vaxxer forum, and posted "vaccines don't cause autism" in the comments, I'm sure it would be removed. So why is youtube any different?
Of course YouTube have a right to remove every pro vaccination video from their site, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that they shouldn't.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
The "my preferred definition of censorship specifies that it can only be done by governments, and [company] is not a government" rhetoric that always appears with these sort of stories is truly tiring and pedantic. Nobody here thinks that youtube is a government. The problem isn't people thinking that youtube is a government; the problem is people thinking that censorship is something only a government can do, or thi…
> the problem is people thinking that censorship is something only a government can do, It's not. Private companies can attempt to silence people. But Youtube isn't preventing the creators from hosting content elsewhere. They aren't hitting them with a slapp lawsuit. They aren't colluding with other websites to ban these videos. Youtube is just saying "host these somewhere else." How is that different from a publishi…
>"But Youtube isn't preventing the creators from hosting content elsewhere. They aren't hitting them with a slapp lawsuit. They aren't colluding with other websites to ban these videos."
Again, you're not refuting anything that anybody here actually thinks.
>"Well it is a little different. For the reason I mentioned in my post. Because youtube is the only game in town."
Exactly, which is why the devil's advocate routine is so tiring.
>"The problem, in my eyes, is that youtube can ban you, and there is no alternative place to host your videos with the same level of exposure. Having a competitive market place would solve this problem, and give video hosting sites an incentive to treat creators fairly."
I agree, but how could that actually be accomplished? If the government split up google/youtube like they split Bell, what would go to who? Would one of the Baby Youtube's get the "youtube" domain/brand? Or could they all? Would youtube.com just give you a "web portal" that impartially linked to all the various Baby Youtubes that were created by fracturing youtube? Would third party video websites unrelated to the youtube breakup get a place on that web portal?