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Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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You could claim you were on a treadmill

Right, in the middle of a Harbin restaurant where a bunch of other people like to also seem to like "running on the treadmill".

"You see, so many people are in to exercise that the restaurant started offering treadmill tables". Though probably more believable to just hang out in the gym lobby with your laptop or a book while your watch does its exercise routine,.

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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Maybe if you're smart enough to do that, you're smart enough to care about your health in other ways and thus you should still fit into the price model that the insurance company uses ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sure, assuming that their price model is fair and just.

Besides, who says the users of this are smart? They're just at a bar that offers that service.

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I wonder how many people use stuff like this to cheat the system? I remember seeing someone on reddit bragging about attaching their Fitbit to a reciprocating saw to get more steps than his wife. I couldn't figure out why it was that important, but with insurance discounts, I can definitely see the financial incentives.

I worked in this space, and yes, if the employer offers an incentive, people will cheat. Even for something like a $10 Dunkin Donuts gift card (heck of a incentive for a health/wellness program).

We'd go through logs and see people sequentially logging for each day, one team member after another, on the last day of the competition.

You'd also find people scrutinizing the accuracy of any reporting we did as a company - some very odd bugs were found by companies with participants armed with Excel and too much time on their hands.

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A lot. I'd be surprised if any Business Management 101 class didn't teach that if there is a reward involved, people will maximize for whatever critera you measure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_effect The term cobra effect originated in an anecdote set at the time of British rule of colonial India. The British government was concerned about the number of venomous cobra snakes in Delhi.[3] The government therefore offered bounty for every dead cobra. Initially this was a successful strategy as large numbers of snakes were killed for the reward. Eventually, however, enterpr…

What did the Delhi residents themselves think about cobras? Were the natives OK with cobras running around and it was just the British that wanted to reduce the population?

I'm curious because if everybody disliked wild cobras loose in the city I'd have expected the breeders to kill their stock when the bounty ended, not free it.

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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I wonder how many people use stuff like this to cheat the system? I remember seeing someone on reddit bragging about attaching their Fitbit to a reciprocating saw to get more steps than his wife. I couldn't figure out why it was that important, but with insurance discounts, I can definitely see the financial incentives.

A lot. I'd be surprised if any Business Management 101 class didn't teach that if there is a reward involved, people will maximize for whatever critera you measure.

Reminds me of one of my favourite stories about this: https://www.inc.com/magazine/20081001/how-hard-could-it-be-s...

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Smart people ≠ healthy people

There's a strong correlation between IQ and life expectancy, possibly mostly genetic

It's also likely the other direction, with health growing up resulting in higher IQ.

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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I did something similar in college. A company paid cash for installing software that displayed ads on the bottom of your monitor. It qualified your ad viewing activity based on mouse movement.

At night I would open the software, wrap my mouse cord around an oscillating desk fan, then go to bed. Earned myself $50/month

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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Wellness programs and similar initiatives are so repellent to me that I'm pretty sympathetic to everyone fooling them.

Why?

Because I dislike the idea of insurance companies nosing in on my private life and telling me how to spend my time. I'm sure someone will object that participation is voluntary, but I expect it to go along the familiar voluntary with perks -> penalties if not participating -> outright mandatory progression.

Re: Smartphone cradle used to cheat “10k steps/day” health insurance discounts

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I’m on Medicare in Australia (so universal healthcare mostly funded by 2% of all taxable income that came in real handy for me last year) and I have an incentive to walk 10,000 steps every morning. A coffee with artificial sweetener from 7 Eleven will do it. And I aim to listen to good podcasts or the like while I do. I wouldn’t do it otherwise. Even the flimsiest of pretenses will do it.

You are in aussie and drink 7/11 coffee by choice? Turn in your Australia card mate...

Not everyone in Australia lives in Melbourne :) (just the best coffee drinkers)
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