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Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

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> Is organized in Delaware, the jurisdiction of choice for many new LLCs.

Be aware that if you are "doing business" in California which means you live there you also have to file as a California foreign entity and pay the absurd anti-small business flat tax of $800 a year.

This also does not include your state income tax liabilities in California. Just because the LLC is formed in Delaware does not mean you don't have to pay income taxes in the state you reside. Delaware is just the legal residence, has nothing to do with income taxes.

I moved to Tennessee in January and switched my single-member disregarded entity LLC from California to Tennessee. The annual fee in Tennessee is $400 vs $800 and there is NO STATE INCOME tax in beautiful TN.

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

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post #6

Hiya folks! I worked with the team on this; happy to answer any questions you have.

Hi patio11, this is really great. It would be awesome to have some resources for EU citizens, mainly how it is with taxes and where I tax what and how.

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

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post #34

This is all very cool. But: don't operate a multi-partner company in any form, LLC or C-Corp, without formal vesting. Companies without vesting are rigged to explode if any member leaves.

Can you elaborate on what this means? What is formal vesting (and as opposed to what... informal vesting?) and how does not doing it make a company explode? I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has never started a company and has no idea what this means. :)

Without a written vesting schedule for ownership of shares of a company, a founder could leave (or die or become disabled/incompetent due to sickness/accident) and keep their (or their estate's) share of the company. Those events can completely destroy the value of a company. For example in a 50/50 partnership, the remaining partner would be responsible for 100% of the work, but only receive 50% of the dividends or liquidation value. Those type of events are hard enough to deal with anyway - not having a vesting schedule makes it almost impossible to recover from. For instance if there _was_ a vesting schedule for a partner that left after a very short period of time, the unvested equity could be used to attract another partner.

The vesting schedule should reflect their contribution to the company over time, and can be whatever the founders negotiate as reasonable. If someone helps found a company and brings a ton of immediate value (ie IP or cash or contracts, etc) then their vesting schedule can reflect that. Issues such as assignment to estate or beneficiaries are important legal issues that need to be considered at startup time as 'insurance' against things no one wants to see happen, but might.

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

#64

It sounded right until $500 part... llc setup cost is $50, bank accounts, stripe accounts are all free, same goes for any “credits” from aws and elsewhere. I understand the desire to turn a profit on this, but that’s kind of overboard, IMO.

It includes a bank account that is huge money and time saving for people outside of US. If you do it elsewhere you will have to fly to the US and open the account yourself.

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

#65
> Is designed to make conversion to a C Corporation as simple as possible. (We can connect Stripe Atlas users to a lawyer to manage the conversion process with discounted, flat-rate packages).

This is the most important part. LLCs tend to be cheaper and more flexible before you raise money, but a C-Corp is basically necessary to raise money. Converting an LLC to C-Corp conversion is often quoted at about $10K from a law firm. With Stripe Atlas, you are set up to make the conversion easily.

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

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post #36
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What bank does the LLC version use?

https://www.azlo.com/

Azlo.com looks nice. I got fed up with Silicon Valley Bank (awful) a few years back and switched to Capital One Spark Business[1] which is great. However they have "temporary" halted new signups which makes me a bit nervous about their long-term plans.

[1] https://www.capitalone.com/small-business-bank/

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

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post #34

This is all very cool. But: don't operate a multi-partner company in any form, LLC or C-Corp, without formal vesting. Companies without vesting are rigged to explode if any member leaves.

>if any member leaves.

This brings up a very interesting issue under the Delaware Limited Liability Company Act, that is without an Operating Agreement in place that allows a Member to resign their ownership, the Delaware Law is controlling and does not allow a member of a multi-member LLC to withdraw (resign their interest) prior to dissolution and winding up of the company. One may be able to get the other member(s) to consent in writing but at the point someone wants to leave, good luck getting the other(s) to sign anything.

Edit: it doesn’t appear the Stripe Atlas LLC comes with an operating agreement; therefore, the Delaware Limited Liability Company Act is controlling and a Member would not have the right to resign their interest prior to dissolution.

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have presence in Delaware (offices or employees), you don't pay corporate income taxes there just because you formed as Delware LLC or C Corp. You pay a nominal franchise tax, and you're taxed in the other state(s) you operate in.

Yep. An LLC* is not taxed as a corporation unless it chooses to be, by default it is taxed as a sole proprietorship (and so the owner would pay income tax). This is known as a disregarded entity” at the federal level. Also watch out for franchise taxes - if you live in California it’s $800/yr minimum. * Edit: a single-member LLC

Pretty sure you can only be a "disregarded entity" (schedule-c) with a single member LLC. Beyond that is get's more complicated.

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

#69

If I want to release a bunch of different projects under the same company name which one is better LLC or C Corp?

You can be an LLC that is taxed as an S-corp as well, but only make sense if you have significant profits which you wish to reduce your liability by paying dividends instead of payroll taxes. -- I am not an accountant or lawyer --

Re: Stripe Atlas for LLCs

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you have presence in Delaware (offices or employees), you don't pay corporate income taxes there just because you formed as Delware LLC or C Corp. You pay a nominal franchise tax, and you're taxed in the other state(s) you operate in.

Yep. An LLC* is not taxed as a corporation unless it chooses to be, by default it is taxed as a sole proprietorship (and so the owner would pay income tax). This is known as a disregarded entity” at the federal level. Also watch out for franchise taxes - if you live in California it’s $800/yr minimum. * Edit: a single-member LLC

How is an LLC taxed with foreign members? Is it tax exempt in the US and does the income accrue to the partners (i.e. foreign companies and/or people)?
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