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Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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I make several trips to Detroit each year (entirely music related) and after every visit the voice in my head that says "move to Detroit" get's louder and louder. The place is definitely still having a rough time but it feels so much more promising over the last couple of years and I'd love to be there permanently. Just have to convince my wife...

For those in tech, I recommend checking out TechTown Detroit:

https://techtowndetroit.org/

A former colleague from decades ago runs it, so I visited it late last year. I was really impressed. They are very interested in enabling all sort of entrepreneurship in Detroit, including that of the tech kind.

For personal reasons, I'm pretty tied to San Francisco. But if I were starting a new business, I'd look hard at Detroit. In 1998, SF/SV was the heart of something new and different. But the Internet's success over the last 20 years means that much of what was then specialized local knowledge is now available everywhere.

Michigan's universities produce a steady stream of graduates; UMich Ann Arbor's CS program is well ranked. For hiring established talent, being able to actually afford a house is a big draw, and for those not tempted remote work is getting ever easier. There's plenty of educated non-tech labor; you could open a customer service center there or in one of many medium-sized towns nearby for prices that seem ridiculously low.

I think the only real drawback is that the shiniest VCs seem very reluctant to invest in companies that aren't in shiny places. But given what a devil's bargain VC money is, and given how much of it goes right into shiny-place prices, I suspect that many could have better odds of long-term success by taking money with a local or long-term focus.

Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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Hi I'm from Detroit, I love seeing my city talked about. A lot of people are claiming decline of residents as a lack of proof of revival. Heres a counterpoint: https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/07/10/detro...

Detroit is spectacular for many reasons. We have retained and nurtured our resources from before the decline such as our art museum, libraries and ISPs (not the consumer ones). In the midst of our decline for some reason downtown detroit developed some kind of renaissance, despite the decline people decided to cling harder to things like the eastern market, architecture, and art. We are full of things like artistic movie theaters, plays, public displays, interesting cuisine, and startups. Yet you will not find a theater showing avengers, or a traditional supermarket until you get to around dearborn. There are also many quirks in the worse parts of Deteoit, a huge spread of people instead of concentrations, and many people taking what we have left behind to make something. I have visited every major city in the US outside of california and New York and I have never seen anything like detroit. We have somehow through disparity been blessed with the ability to be almost meritocratic, the amount of opportunities and equality In have experienced coming from a lower class, and the genuine people that remain is what I imagine to be higher than other cities. Anecdotally of course.

Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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What are the economic indicators that things are looking up? The place is still losing population as of last year, and it's not even clear if it's slowing down. http://www.dailydetroit.com/2017/05/25/detroit-continues-los... (2016 appears to be the last year census data is available.)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/07/10/detro...

Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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Weird that the article does not cite a single economic or demographic indicator to support its assertion. For example, Detroit's population has declined so far this decade at about the same pace as it declined from 1990-2000 (though not at the disastrous pace it declined from 2000-2010, when the city lost a quarter of its population). Sounds like far from a revival.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/techcrunch.com/2017/07/10/detro...

Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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Weird that the article does not cite a single economic or demographic indicator to support its assertion. For example, Detroit's population has declined so far this decade at about the same pace as it declined from 1990-2000 (though not at the disastrous pace it declined from 2000-2010, when the city lost a quarter of its population). Sounds like far from a revival.

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Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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When my country faced crippling recession, I remember someone mentioning that even bankrupt countries don't go anywhere - it's not as if someone will take the country and annex it. A failed country just lingers around until things eventually get better.

For that same reason, I've always regretted not having money to buy real state in Detroit. No matter how bad things are, a city this big is bound to rebound sooner or later. I wonder how long it will take before "Detroit gentrification" becomes a thing.

Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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I am really skeptical of the financially strapped detroit city government's ability to maintain water and sewer services to many of the mostly razed blocks. People who own hosues that are the only remaining occupied, in good condition residences on entire city blocks may need to be prepared to go fully off grid in the future. The tax base just isn't there to support the scale of the city's street, sewer and water infrastructure anymore.

From an ISP perspective: very sparsely populated areas are also going to see the cable TV company (DOCSIS3.0 or DOCSIS3.1 based cablemodem internet) and POTS/Copper phone line ILEC (ADSL2+, VDSL2) ISPs abandon or neglect their infrastructure. It does not make economic sense to maintain an aerial coaxial cable plant and DOCSIS3.0 CMTS systems throughout a region of a city that has only a few houses per block. Expect to be required to DIY your own internet as well.

Re: Detroit Was Crumbling, Now It's Reviving

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Weird that the article does not cite a single economic or demographic indicator to support its assertion. For example, Detroit's population has declined so far this decade at about the same pace as it declined from 1990-2000 (though not at the disastrous pace it declined from 2000-2010, when the city lost a quarter of its population). Sounds like far from a revival.

This is a pretty weird article, without some kind of further support it really smacks of a manufactured narrative.

As you say, the population - which the article insists is the key factor - shows no sign of recovering. It's simply ceased the plummet it was in during the economic crisis and preceding years. The rate of decline might be a bit slower than the 90s, but the second derivative is still 0. (If you made me offer a theory, I'd say 2008-2011 prematurely drove out people who would otherwise have left more gradually.)

I also noticed the line "Dreams of a house for a few thousand dollars seem like an old memory in some areas, where buildings can list for more than a million." The phrasing is circumspect; it carefully avoids saying that there are actually specific areas where home prices have gone from thousands to a million, and equivocates oddly between houses and buildings. Detroit was never all impoverished, and I have a sinking feeling that this sentence is comparing the current prices of Downtown Detroit to the past prices of northeast Detroit.

Certainly there are some bright spots in Detroit, the city's budget is less disastrous and the projects in bulldozing, resettlement, and urban forestry are a fascinating experiment. But all the evidence I can see says that a plan for Detroit which depends on a rising population anytime soon is basically doomed, whatever the changing look of the city.

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Detroit is an odd place. For years of going there for work it was tough to find locally owned restaurants in favor of chains, it’s do-able but you might end up in weird places like a polish restaurant literally in the basement of a house a few blocks off Woodward. The people who identify with Detroit really do so. There is at first an inexplicable pride of being “from the D”, but it’s nice, there are really diverse a…

Mario's[1] for excellent Italian food. Xoxhimilco[2] for excellent Mexican food. Antonio's[3] in the burbs. New Peking[4] in GC for excellent Chinese food. I've lived in Michigan 30 years now. Came here for grad school, first at MSU, then down to Wayne State for Ph.D. Never left. There is something about this place. Even when we are getting the crap kicked out of us ... we don't give up. It took a long time to get ri…

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