Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone living/working outside of the US, I'm not sure if this post is a joke. Is a median of $200k actually low?
Depends on where you live.
There is nowhere in the USA where $200k is low.
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#52I find the more interesting story to be the "Software developers really don't want to believe that their profession pays as much as it does" message that's playing out in the comments here and the similar Facebook story today.
It's something I notice every time salary comes up here.
Story: "Yet Another Datapoint showing that the current market rate for developers is $300,000/year and higher."
Hacker News: "No It Isn't!"
You can almost see the fingers stuck in ears reading the top comments on these stories. In my mind, the thing to do when somebody tells you how you can make twice what you did 5 years ago in this profession isn't to call that guy a liar. A better reaction would be to talk about actionable ways to go get one o' those salaries.
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#53The WSJ article doesn't seem right. Here are a list of the top paying companies by median income:
Chimera Investment
TESARO
Exelixis
Splunk
Equity Commonwealth
Agios Pharmaceuticals
Incyte Corp
Neurocrine Biosciences Inc
The highest paying software company appears to be Splunk with 256k. There seems to be a lot of biotech companies that pay a lot.
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#54I find the more interesting story to be the "Software developers really don't want to believe that their profession pays as much as it does" message that's playing out in the comments here and the similar Facebook story today. It's something I notice every time salary comes up here. Story: "Yet Another Datapoint showing that the current market rate for developers is $300,000/year and higher." Hacker News: "No It Isn'…
Probably because you'll never come near these kind of offers outside a few cities in the world - no matter how good you are.
Most of developers in the world aren't allowed to move to SV or Seattle and get those salaries.
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#55Seems really low. Imagine if they unionized!
As someone living/working outside of the US, I'm not sure if this post is a joke. Is a median of $200k actually low?
I think its a joke, or it should be. Income of $200k puts you above 97.3% of Americans according to https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-calculator/ .
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#56I find the more interesting story to be the "Software developers really don't want to believe that their profession pays as much as it does" message that's playing out in the comments here and the similar Facebook story today. It's something I notice every time salary comes up here. Story: "Yet Another Datapoint showing that the current market rate for developers is $300,000/year and higher." Hacker News: "No It Isn'…
Probably because you'll never come near these kind of offers outside a few cities in the world - no matter how good you are. Most of developers in the world aren't allowed to move to SV or Seattle and get those salaries.
You're mistaken.
Just for a datapoint, I've never lived in the Bay Area (and haven't worked on-site for a dozen years), and I make a lot more than that as a developer. I am in no way unique. This is in fact what good devs make if we ask for it. Nomatter where we live.
Incidentally, you're right that you generally won't receive an initial offer for that kind of money. You need to negotiate for it. That is sadly another area we devs are not historically good at:
http://www.expatsoftware.com/articles/developers-should-lear...
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, as with the Facebook news that their median is $240k ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16955393 ), it could well be the case that Alphabet's lower paid staff are mostly contractors who wouldn't be counted in this metric.
Everyone seems to report either median or average, both of which leave out a lot of interesting information. If people simply reported both values, it would go a long way to painting a more accurate picture.
For an accurate picture, you can't beat a picture. A graph of the distribution of employees over salaries is easy to understand and information rich.
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#58Seems really low. Imagine if they unionized!
I have always wondered why Americans see their unions as so dysfunctional and harmful. I have never had problems with unions as en employer. Then I learned that US has completely different union system from Europe. You guys have so called enterprise-level bargaining with union shops and agency shops where workers must be part of an union or pay the fee for an union. Then union negotiates pay in enterprise-level. I ca…
I would assume it has to do with the low rate of unionization. A high rate of organization among employers and employees really disincentives 'rogue' behavior. These online discussions naturally tends to focus on things like salaries and conflicts, but often these organization also have other roles in industry, education and even politics. At least I often find this preferable to just having a few politicians or a few large companies trying to decide what to do.
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#59Google has the lowest ceo/pay ratio since their CEO gets $1. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/ceo-pay-ratio/ I know Facebook included Mark's security/ travel into compensation. Did google just not do that?
> Google has the lowest ceo/pay ratio since their CEO gets $1.
That's misleading, because their CEO gets paid in other ways. Garbage in garbage out.
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#60I find the more interesting story to be the "Software developers really don't want to believe that their profession pays as much as it does" message that's playing out in the comments here and the similar Facebook story today. It's something I notice every time salary comes up here. Story: "Yet Another Datapoint showing that the current market rate for developers is $300,000/year and higher." Hacker News: "No It Isn'…
> Story: "Yet Another Datapoint showing that the current market rate for developers is $300,000/year and higher."
for extremely competitive, highly sought-after employers. I guarantee you if you go to Texas, that salary $ is not that high on the mean at all.