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France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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The courts, in the USA, have found that domain names are not property, instead they are like telephone numbers: ---------------- The court found that under the California tariffs, rules, and regulations applicable to public utilities, and under the terms of the contracts, the debtors had no “proprietary right in the number.” https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0a84b472-c89f... Also: ...under Virginia law,…

>Governments have the right to assign to themselves any telephone number they wish, and reserve ranges of phone numbers for themselves, therefore it makes sense that they can do the same to domain names.

What if America assigns themselves a.com and Australia also assigns themselves a.com ? Only one can prevail. There needs to be some higher power to determine whose demand wins.

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#202

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He should team of with Tim Berners Lee, and get the creator of the internet to claim he owns the rights to Web.com ...

So it should really be web.co.uk, or web.ac.uk, or web.gb, or web.ch or web.ac.ch or something 8) Sir Tim is a Brit and we have two TLDs uk and gb and of course Sir Tim was working at CERN in Switzerland (.ch) when he started the www thing. Sir T only invented the www. The internet as such was invented by an American agency - ARPA/DARPA.

And it should be france.fr not france.com

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #201
post #7

The courts, in the USA, have found that domain names are not property, instead they are like telephone numbers: ---------------- The court found that under the California tariffs, rules, and regulations applicable to public utilities, and under the terms of the contracts, the debtors had no “proprietary right in the number.” https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0a84b472-c89f... Also: ...under Virginia law,…

>Governments have the right to assign to themselves any telephone number they wish, and reserve ranges of phone numbers for themselves, therefore it makes sense that they can do the same to domain names. What if America assigns themselves a.com and Australia also assigns themselves a.com ? Only one can prevail. There needs to be some higher power to determine whose demand wins.

Maybe ICANN would involve themselves at some point? https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/help/dndr/udrp-en

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#204

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All of those are US only, making .com the next best thing in this case I guess?

Maybe it’s time to not make them us only. France.gov would make way more sense.

FYI most of (all?) of government related websites are under *.gouv.fr in France.

Having an alias under the .gov TLD for people used to this TLD would make sense, like eg tourism.france.gov => tourisme.gouv.fr

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it should really be web.co.uk, or web.ac.uk, or web.gb, or web.ch or web.ac.ch or something 8) Sir Tim is a Brit and we have two TLDs uk and gb and of course Sir Tim was working at CERN in Switzerland (.ch) when he started the www thing. Sir T only invented the www. The internet as such was invented by an American agency - ARPA/DARPA.

And it should be france.fr not france.com

It's even worse. france.com forwards to france.fr at the moment..

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#206
post #75
post #74

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But so are domains, just with a suffix instead of a prefix. You oughta think a .com domain is more suitable for a commercial entity then for a government/state department.

.com has become the de-facto default TLD for the net for better or worse.

As a Sweden .se is the de-facto domain for everything specific to Sweden.

I.e. see http://sweden.com/ vs http://sweden.se/

Or http://www.skatteverket.se/ vs http://www.skatteverket.com/ for that matter.

From my experience .com is the de-facto domain for international commercial entities. For my personal domain I use hultner.se

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He should team of with Tim Berners Lee, and get the creator of the internet to claim he owns the rights to Web.com ...

So it should really be web.co.uk, or web.ac.uk, or web.gb, or web.ch or web.ac.ch or something 8) Sir Tim is a Brit and we have two TLDs uk and gb and of course Sir Tim was working at CERN in Switzerland (.ch) when he started the www thing. Sir T only invented the www. The internet as such was invented by an American agency - ARPA/DARPA.

In the mean time, cern even got it's own top level domain, because of its international nature.

CERNs homepage is https://home.cern

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #201
post #7

The courts, in the USA, have found that domain names are not property, instead they are like telephone numbers: ---------------- The court found that under the California tariffs, rules, and regulations applicable to public utilities, and under the terms of the contracts, the debtors had no “proprietary right in the number.” https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0a84b472-c89f... Also: ...under Virginia law,…

>Governments have the right to assign to themselves any telephone number they wish, and reserve ranges of phone numbers for themselves, therefore it makes sense that they can do the same to domain names. What if America assigns themselves a.com and Australia also assigns themselves a.com ? Only one can prevail. There needs to be some higher power to determine whose demand wins.

> What if America assigns themselves a.com and Australia also assigns themselves a.com ? Only one can prevail.

This one's easy; the US owns .com and Australia doesn't, so obviously the US will win.

This makes it pretty mysterious why France would have a claim on a .com domain, though. They own .fr, not .com.

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#209

So the case came down to violating French trademark law. That's because country names cannot be trademarked internationally ( and why tourist agencies register names like Visit ) So it's not clear why Web.com even responded to the complaint unless they have a presence in France. Or was the risk that it could have been escalated to a European level of penalty?

So if France Gall[0] created the website she would have been stripped too? France is a relatively common name[1] in France. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Gall [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_(name)

There is a famous precedent with milka.fr https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milka_contre_Kraft_Foods

tldr : a woman named Milka bought the domain for her own business and used it for a while before Kraft foods noticed it. Lawsuit followed, big business won.

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

#210
post #54
post #52

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It belongs to a person born there, who registered it and is using it. How is he in any way a squatter?!

Registered and used it with, apparently, the blessing of the French government for a couple of decades - they were aware of its existence, and worked with him in providing some content, as I understood the article. It's ... nothing at all like cybersquatting. At all.

He had the blessing until he went for the trademark in Europe. In 2015 France.com didn't exist as trademark, then was registered by France.com Inc and at that point France declared prior use on the word France and related trademarks.

They let him use it until he tried to claim it for himself.

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