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France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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Germany doesn't seem to care much about http://germany.com :)

Or UnitedStates.com - a spam site Or America.com (a godaddy page). Could this guy sue Web.com? Maybe he can win the fight to Web.com on behalf of the WWW.

Back in the early 2000's whitehouse.com used to be a patriotic-themed adult site. So I'm told...

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phone numbers take you to the same phone until... - that person gets a new phone - a hacker politely calls customer support and asks to have a new phone activated on that number - the area code is split and someone else ends up getting the number The phone system has a lookup table too.

In Australia, your phone has zero to do with your number; the SIM card is what “holds” it (not really. And that’s an oversimplification but oh well). And there are no area codes for mobiles.

And in Australia, for some reason you still get people who change their number when they buy a new phone, so...

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #7

The courts, in the USA, have found that domain names are not property, instead they are like telephone numbers: ---------------- The court found that under the California tariffs, rules, and regulations applicable to public utilities, and under the terms of the contracts, the debtors had no “proprietary right in the number.” https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=0a84b472-c89f... Also: ...under Virginia law,…

The weird thing about this to me is that phone numbers always take you to the same phone, but domain names just involve me trusting some table I use to look things up. The internet is deeply democratic, maybe anarchic -- whatever rules I want my machine to follow it follows. If people generally disagreed with this decision, a viral hosts file would roll it back. (I don't think this so alarming a case that it will spa…

errrr, some phone numbers can take you to call centers and you can end up talking to random different people every time

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #181
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or UnitedStates.com - a spam site Or America.com (a godaddy page). Could this guy sue Web.com? Maybe he can win the fight to Web.com on behalf of the WWW.

Back in the early 2000's whitehouse.com used to be a patriotic-themed adult site. So I'm told...

You are correct. Accidentally went there once when I was supposed to go to whitehouse.gov. Needless to say, there were images of many interns...

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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So the case came down to violating French trademark law. That's because country names cannot be trademarked internationally ( and why tourist agencies register names like Visit ) So it's not clear why Web.com even responded to the complaint unless they have a presence in France. Or was the risk that it could have been escalated to a European level of penalty?

So if France Gall[0] created the website she would have been stripped too? France is a relatively common name[1] in France.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_Gall

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_(name)

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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I think he will win according to US law. At least there's no bad faith, simply a site about "France"

I doubt he’ll get anywhere by suing the French government. They’ll either just ignore him, or assert sovereign immunity. He’d probably have better luck suing web.com or the new registrar in a US court and forcing them to hand it back.

I think a Fed judge can order--US based--Verisign to transfer the name back. At least they were able to...

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's the exact opposite. .com websites are very rarely legitimate, canonical whereas .org, .edu, .gov etc... are more legitimate and trustworthy

All of those are US only, making .com the next best thing in this case I guess?

All countries have their respective .edu, .gov, .org etc and if you consider them I think my point still stands.

Re: France seizes france.com from man who's had it since 1994

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post #5

Tangential to the core issue, but seems kinda weird to me that he claims he bought it from web.com in 1994 and he’s had the domain for 24 years when web.com has only existed for 19. A quick Wikipedia search would’ve clearly shown this. Further, in 1994, there’s only one place he could’ve registered this domain as it wasn’t decentralized until the late 90s. I guess Ars was sleeping at the wheel when posting this.

Network Solutions was started in 1994, and was later bought by Web.com. It is correct to say that he got a domain name from a registrar which is now the property of Web.com.

Yes, but he wasn’t a Web.com customer for 24 years. Web.com didn’t exist until 1999 and further didn’t buy Network Solutions until 2011. It’s fine for a consumer to not remember, but Ars should do better in their reporting!
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