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Translations of the Dao De Jing

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Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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There was another site that hosted 80+ versions that I scraped a long time ago and made this: http://tao.scrame.com It shows a random passage from a random translation, with an attribution link to the long dead parent site. I should probably dump the db back to the constituent pieces, enduring issues and all. Initially it was a test for rails, but I rewrote it in php ages echo.

Nice! Thank you.

Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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A page about hair-splitting on translations of a philosophy whose chapter one paragraph one states the notion isn't possible to convey in words! The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao; The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth. The named is the mother of ten thousand things. Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see the ma…

'course, that might just be a translation artifact.

Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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Ursula LeGuin has also published a nonliteral interpretation of the Tao Te Ching (derived from the work of several Chinese-to-English translations) that is absolutely wonderful. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07C2WJQNM/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...

Yeah that's the one I own. I trust her more than I trust Laozi honestly.

Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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Oh, let me plug Peter Boodberg's startlingly bizzare version, which begins "Lodehead lodehead-brooking : no forwonted lodehead"... It's such an alien approach to translation, you can see his logic, but the end product looks like something from a Markov chain.

https://youzicha.tumblr.com/post/142657117089/philological-n... http://www.jstor.org/stable/2718364?s

Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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Oh, let me plug Peter Boodberg's startlingly bizzare version, which begins "Lodehead lodehead-brooking : no forwonted lodehead"... It's such an alien approach to translation, you can see his logic, but the end product looks like something from a Markov chain. https://youzicha.tumblr.com/post/142657117089/philological-n... http://www.jstor.org/stable/2718364?s

While the analysis is interesting, the resulting "translation" is useless nonsense.

Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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A page about hair-splitting on translations of a philosophy whose chapter one paragraph one states the notion isn't possible to convey in words! The Tao that can be told is not the eternal Tao; The name that can be named is not the eternal name. The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth. The named is the mother of ten thousand things. Ever desireless, one can see the mystery. Ever desiring, one can see the ma…

That has always been my favorite translation, by Gia-fu Feng and Jane English, and the book is beautifully illustrated. https://www.amazon.com/Ching-25th-Anniversary-English-Mandar...

Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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It's worthwhile to read many translations of this book. I find this really helps to "triangulate" the nuance and depth of the original. Inevitably, you come across translations that you like more, and others that you like less.

I was attracted to the Dao De Jing at a fairly young age. It took over a decade, though (as I was reading a related text—I can't remember which one, maybe the Zhuangzi), for it to suddenly dawn on me how alien this was from the way of reasoning that's been ingrained in me through the culture I was brought up in.

I had been able to extract tons of enjoyment (and, hopefully, insight) from them already at that point. But from then on, the daoist classics suddenly looked very different to me. They took on a depth that I hadn't seen in them before.

A related book I would recommend is Edward Slingerland's Trying Not to Try[1]. A very interesting dive into the concept of Wu Wei. His interpretations of the old texts get a little one/two dimensional at times, but he also brings along a lot of insight.

1: https://eslingerland.arts.ubc.ca/tryingnottotry/

Re: Translations of the Dao De Jing

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There was another site that hosted 80+ versions that I scraped a long time ago and made this: http://tao.scrame.com It shows a random passage from a random translation, with an attribution link to the long dead parent site. I should probably dump the db back to the constituent pieces, enduring issues and all. Initially it was a test for rails, but I rewrote it in php ages echo.

That’s not a bad idea for an app. Maybe get an alert with a random passage every day or something.
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