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Bill Gates, Hero

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Re: Bill Gates, Hero

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Why do you think Silicon Valley has never quite come around on this guy? Because of the trail of dead bodies and lost opportunities left in his wake. Let's not forget, Bill Gates was handed a 0th birthday gift of $1 million from his grandfather, the keys to his private middle school computer (the same one Stanford had), and a free ticket to do business with IBM because his mother already knew its chairman. Sure he wa…

> Let's not forget, Bill Gates was handed a 0th birthday gift of $1 million from his grandfather, the keys to his private middle school computer (the same one Stanford had), and a free ticket to do business with IBM because his mother already knew its chairman. The rest of your post is very insightful, but this part above strikes me as petty - I was low born myself, was given almost nothing except birth in the USA in…

That was one of the Gladwell's points in his famous book outliers.

Re: Bill Gates, Hero

#72
Tax the wealthy to pay for education, but don't worry about Microsoft dodging licensing taxes by operating out of Nevada, noooo...

http://boingboing.net/2010/04/23/microsoft-wins-its-1.html http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/09/microsofts-nevada-tax-d...

tax the wealthy, so long as it's not him.

Now, to be fair, he is a huge philanthropist and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation does some amazing work, but praise what you preach, Microsoft needs to start paying its dues.

Re: Bill Gates, Hero

#73
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot see into alternate universes You don't have to see into alternate universes. You just have to be old enough to have already lived in one. The one before Microsoft. I suspect that alot of the Bill Gates/Microsoft love/hate splits along age lines. If you're under 40, you're not old enough to have experienced the glorious pre-Microsoft days. We worked on all kinds of cool stuff, IBM mainframes (the good and the…

That's funny, my friend (who was a very early MSFT employee) tells a different story. There were a bunch of different competing technologies. Writing a program for all of them meant writing it over and over, so nobody did this. The market was small and fragmented, and nobody really believed you could get huge as a software company. Bill's parents wanted him to finish his schooling instead of dropping out to start Mic…

> Writing a program for all of them meant writing it over and over

Not quite correct. Companies ported programs, even assembly-language programs, to different processors all the time. Visicalc ran on z-80s, 6502s (on Apples, Ataris and Commodores) and 8086s. the hard part is to write it the first time. Porting then is more or less straightforward. OSs were so minimalistic at that time they didn't create any significant difference.

> Businesses were confounded because some of the software they wanted ran only on one stack, some ran on another

Most business software for microcomputers in the high 70's and very low 80's ran on CP/M. Even the first DOS blockbusters were straight ports of CP/M titles. CP/M (I am talking about CP/M 80) machines were all based on 8080-like processors, but, besides the common processor, had very different hardware - disks from one computer often could not be read on another. Transferring through serial ports usually solved this.

The market that was more fragmented was the home computer market. There Apple IIs, Ataris, TRS-80s and Commodores competed with one another. Choosing a home computer could be confusing at that time.

The higher end of the spectrum had mainframes, just as incompatible with each other as they are now (I think Unisys still makes them and they are incompatible with IBMs), minis that ran proprietary OSs or UNIX-based OSs. There were a couple high-end multiuser "supermicros" that ran Unix-like OSs. I have used Cromix for some time.

Most of the software was not easily portable at that time because it was written in hand-tuned assembly language. I remember how revolutionary Unix seemed for being written in C and, thus, being portable across different architectures. Faster computers and HLLs (can't believe I am calling C a HLL...) eased the pain of porting.

My bet? Were it not for Gates, today we would have a diverse computing environment, with different OSs and processors, with cross-platform software being used in combination with open formats (like GIF was intended to be) to exchange data between non-portable (or non-ported) programs. There would be large software companies but hardware makers would compete with far more latitude than they can now and those software companies would do their best to use the tricks those hardware makers would bring.

> You may not like it, but IP suits and lobbying are as much a part of big business as dribbling is basketball

You're right. I don't like it. I think software companies should gain market through technical merits that benefit their users, not backstabbing each other.

Re: Bill Gates, Hero

#74
post #13

Why do you think Silicon Valley has never quite come around on this guy? Because of the trail of dead bodies and lost opportunities left in his wake. Let's not forget, Bill Gates was handed a 0th birthday gift of $1 million from his grandfather, the keys to his private middle school computer (the same one Stanford had), and a free ticket to do business with IBM because his mother already knew its chairman. Sure he wa…

"forgetting all the lives destroyed" Lets say it's the year 2100. 100 million children have a chance at life because they were vaccinated with Gates Foundation money. 1 billion are wealthier because of a better education provided by Gates Foundation programs. The environment is cleaner because populations used that health and education to lift themselves out of poverty. Are 20 years of frustrated tech entrepreneurs a…

> Are 20 years of frustrated tech entrepreneurs an unreasonable price to pay for that?

Why are you so sure 20 years of frustrated tech entrepreneurs would be unable to give the world something better? Too many eggs in too few baskets...

Re: Bill Gates, Hero

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post #13

Why do you think Silicon Valley has never quite come around on this guy? Because of the trail of dead bodies and lost opportunities left in his wake. Let's not forget, Bill Gates was handed a 0th birthday gift of $1 million from his grandfather, the keys to his private middle school computer (the same one Stanford had), and a free ticket to do business with IBM because his mother already knew its chairman. Sure he wa…

Agreed. Most robber barons of their time seem to follow this same pattern - scorched earth rise to power, then spend their waning years in philanthropy.

And for a little trip down memory lane, for those who might not have been around then:

http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html

The original Finding of Fact from US vs. Microsoft is worth a read too if you haven't, corroborates most of the above:

http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f3800/msjudgex.htm

Re: Bill Gates, Hero

#77
post #72

Tax the wealthy to pay for education, but don't worry about Microsoft dodging licensing taxes by operating out of Nevada, noooo... http://boingboing.net/2010/04/23/microsoft-wins-its-1.html http://microsofttaxdodge.com/2010/09/microsofts-nevada-tax-d... tax the wealthy, so long as it's not him. Now, to be fair, he is a huge philanthropist and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation does some amazing work, but praise wh…

I'm curious. Do you personally arrange your affairs to maximize your taxes?

If not, then why do you think businesses should do so?

Re: Bill Gates, Hero

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"forgetting all the lives destroyed" Lets say it's the year 2100. 100 million children have a chance at life because they were vaccinated with Gates Foundation money. 1 billion are wealthier because of a better education provided by Gates Foundation programs. The environment is cleaner because populations used that health and education to lift themselves out of poverty. Are 20 years of frustrated tech entrepreneurs a…

And we should be really clear. Most of those "lives destroyed" were destroyed in fair play. There are scant few developers in the world who can really argue that Gates hurt them, much less destroyed their lives. And I think people also conveniently discount the paid software market that Gates helped create. Gates really pushed hard on the notion of standalone software that is purchased. I also think people forget how…

> Most of those "lives destroyed" were destroyed in fair play.

Are we talking about Microsoft as in "Comes vs. Microsoft"?

> Gates really pushed hard on the notion of standalone software that is purchased

He was not the first and didn't push particularly hard. The first "serious" computer I had was an Apple II (the first one was a Sinclair ZX-81 clone) and a lot of the software I ran on it was acquired well after the purchase.

Re: Bill Gates, Hero

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let's not forget, Bill Gates was handed a 0th birthday gift of $1 million from his grandfather, the keys to his private middle school computer (the same one Stanford had), and a free ticket to do business with IBM because his mother already knew its chairman. The rest of your post is very insightful, but this part above strikes me as petty - I was low born myself, was given almost nothing except birth in the USA in…

...but this part above strikes me as petty... Sorry if it came across that way; that was not my intent. Everyone's starting point is relative. No one ever gave me the gifts that Bill Gates got. But then again, I've had gifts that 99% of everyone who ever lived couldn't imagine. With those gifts comes responsibility. Whenever I have an opportunity to use my gifts to do good things, I think of how proud those who made…

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Re: Bill Gates, Hero

#80
To me Bill Gates will always be a modern-day Rockefeller: he clawed and trampled his way to the top, then once he was there he gave away his money -- a lot of it, to be sure -- and will always be remembered for that, rather than the ugly methods he used to get it.

It's laudable when somebody gives so freely and I don't want to take away from that, but I find it hard to view him charitably because I know that even now, this is all about him, making him feel better about himself. Many others sacrificed much more for the good of others without having to tread so heavily.

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