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The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by copperx »

smrtinsert wrote: post #106
pikzel wrote: post #7

Back then, Eclipse was this big, bloated and slow IDE. IntelliJ was slim, fast and much more intuitive and powerful in terms of refactoring, etc. Today, IntelliJ is big, bloated and turning slow. Which IDE will be the next big thing?

People, Intellij's performance is fine, just like Eclipses was. Stop buying cheap old macs or switch to PCs. Tired of the same crap arguments. If your company doesn't want to spring for 3k laptops, get a 1k win laptop with the same specs.

You can't fix code bloat with a faster computer. At least not for long.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by copperx »

bullsandabears wrote: post #58
pikzel wrote: post #7

Back then, Eclipse was this big, bloated and slow IDE. IntelliJ was slim, fast and much more intuitive and powerful in terms of refactoring, etc. Today, IntelliJ is big, bloated and turning slow. Which IDE will be the next big thing?

There are multiple ways to vastly increase Intellij performance. They also have 'Auto-share Settings' feature so you can keep a whole team in-sync with them through a repo. tweaks like: - they added their own custom property that speaks for itself: 'editor.zero.latency.typing=true' - it runs on a JVM, so update the JVM settings. (Like most apps, they ship with defaults that assume you're running your IDE on something…

Isn't zero latency typing enabled by default now? I can't find the documentation now, but I clearly remember reading that.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by mindcrime »

Meh. I still find Eclipse to be far superior to Intellij. I gave Intellij a try last year and just didn't find anything appealing about it.

OTOH, Eclipse, while different releases have been better or worse than others, and despite a rough period starting with the whole "Eclipse 4" thing, the Oxygen version has been very nice. I started with a RC of Oxygen and it's worked so well I never even bothered upgrading to the actual release version.

The only thing that really annoys me about Eclipse is that they killed off the TPTP sub-project, and I really liked their profiler back in the day.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by ktosobcy »

maxxxxx wrote: post #45
acomjean wrote: post #14

I use both. Jetbrains is better, but it costs money. Its worth it to save the time figuring out eclipse. I use eclipse because I'm maintaining some tomcat code, and the code live in an eclipse project world. Eclipse works and once set up it does it job well. The truth is its just too complex. I still can't get it to work with Git. Eclipse is free (since I use it professionally I donated.) one example in Jetbrains I c…

" Its worth it to save the time figuring out eclipse." We talking about people making 100k+ but are worried about spending a few hundred for a better tool. It just shows that the same amount of money is valued different in a different context. Spending 500 more for a better laptop is being questioned and two days later you got to dinner with some VPs and they blow more than $200 per person for wine and food.

Not everyone lives in US and earns 100k+… However, even you you get 1/3 of that, if having a better tools speeds you up it's still worth it IMHO (thus I took the plunge and migrated from NetBeans to IntelliJ a couple of years back).

ad rem - I could never make myself using Eclipse - it always felt like getting in the way instead of helping.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by wink »

the_af wrote: post #55

I still remember when Eclipse jumped the shark. It was always a complex and somewhat bloated IDE, but once you learned how to use it, it was fast and had plenty of useful features, refactoring was a breeze, etc. Then they did that major UI redesign TFA mentions. I remember thinking "I can't believe nobody cares that this is slow, nothing works and the UI is unusable. It used to work!". Then I read the Eclipse forums…

Maybe I'm really misremembering or didn't pay attention to this UI redesign. I was a somewhat regular eclipse user 10+ years ago, wrote a plugin as part of my thesis (in late 2009) and used newer versions in the last 5-6 years, it never felt really different?

On the other hand I've never been a big fan either. Developing plugins wasn't fun - getting various plugins to work together wasn't fun either. It was an OK IDE for Java and some other languages...

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by jyriand »

I'm using Intellij now, but used to work with Eclipse. And one thing that I miss is quickly starting tests. In Eclipse it feels like tests start without compilation and I get instant feedback. With IDEA you have to wait a second or two before it starts running the tests. I know it doesn't feel like much, but it's really annoying if you are doing TDD.

I started using IDEA because I wanted dark theme and Eclipse didn't have it. Probably even now you can't get nice looking dark theme in Eclipse, not sure, correct if I'm wrong.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by vbezhenar »

I used Eclipse and my memories are hours spent to install some plugin (sometimes as necessary as Maven or Subversion support), typing some repository address, etc. Running something with apache tomcat was a quest. Sometimes things broke and you had to clean/redeploy it again and again until it worked. When I installed Idea and everything just worked, it was a truly superior experience. Idea is one of very few software products that I bought and continue to buy. I just really respect Jetbrains developers.

That said, there were few things that I liked in Eclipse. Errors were easier to work with. Also I could run uncompileable Java code and I liked it (Eclipse skipped bad code and throwed exception there).

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by kentosi »

astura wrote: post #77
Aardwolf wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, I remember it now. I used the wrong terminology in that case. Honestly, the end result is the same. I'm sure there were reasons to use multiple workspaces for different pieces of code and the same user of the same program would still want it to look and feel the same rather than getting thrown the defaults back in your face when starting a new workspace...

You can easily import your preferences into your new workspace. I mean, it's not even difficult to find, File>Export and File>Import.

But that's exactly the problem! The minute you want to change a key binding or a hotkey, you have a re-export that change to all your workspaces.

Honestly it reminds me of GIMP taking years to finally implement an MDI interface. If only eclipse let me keep the same bindings, UI, etc across different workspaces I probably wouldn't have switched.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by mmsimanga »

paullth wrote: post #70

Netbeans was better/easier to use than Eclipse for a long time in my opinion (100% accept that isn't worth a whole lot). I vaguely remember that in about 2010/2011 trying to use the maven and git plugins for eclipse together and hitting a lot of errors. Netbeans wasn't perfect but it worked AND used the system installations of git/mvn. Also, Ive never understood why Eclipse insists (at least last time I used it) on i…

I studied Java then taught it for a couple of years about 2001/2. I even got the Sun Java Certification. As luck would have it, I never programmed professionally as Java developer. Last year I decided to contribute some patches to a Business Intelligence (BI) tool written in Java. I could only afford a few hours a week. I tried Eclipse, didn't get anything done for a month. Switch to Netbeans, and was able to contribute my first patch within a few hours. Most things just worked, I didn't have a good handle on the intricacies of Netbeans but I was productive. I know Oracle is "evil" but that didn't stop us using Java. Not sure why Netbeans usage is higher. It really is a good IDE.

Re: The Fall of Eclipse (2016)

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Post by mmsimanga »

rafaelvasco wrote: post #73

Recently i changed to Netbeans having been using Eclipse at work for years and was pleasantly surprised. Much faster than eclipse, no constant lags and freezes. At home i use IntelliJ. Never looking back to Eclipse.

I share your experience. Netbeans mostly works out of the box and it seems much easier to configure.
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